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GrapheneOS – Break Free from Google and Apple

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Re: GrapheneOS – Break Free from Google and Apple

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Post by SadErn »

simonh wrote: post #65
franga2000 wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What exactly is the risk of getting temporarily banned on Uber? You have to use a different taxi app ? As if such a thing even exists?!? Unacceptable!! Every app on my phone has at least one other app, usually already installed, that can replace it. This wasn't intentional, it just happened naturally. Unless all two or three apps in a category get blocked for me at the same time, this already unlikely situation is ba…

The key phrase there is "such services". It's not just about one problem once with Uber, it's the risk of problems like this with any service of that kind, or really any service you rely on. If using GrapheneOS significantly increases the risk a person won't be able to use a service they rely on, that may be unacceptable.

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Re: GrapheneOS – Break Free from Google and Apple

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Post by fodmap »

bergheim wrote: post #105

Been using this for about a year on a p9 pro. It works very well. I hear the google tap to pay does not work, but I've never tried it. However Vipps with their tap to pay works fine. BankID works but not with biometric login, which some things require IIRC. And for some reason DnB private works fine, but you are not allowed in on the corp app. It's mind boggingly stupid that they lock down apps like this, when you ca…

> It's mind boggingly stupid that they lock down apps like this, when you can just open the thing in a website anyway. I can use my bank on some linux distro...

Not in Spain. I can access my bank's website but I can't do anything without their bank app. Even sometimes they require to confirm my identity using their app in order to access their website.

I have several linux phones but I can only do banking with their app downloaded from Aurora Store in my Vollaphone.

Re: GrapheneOS – Break Free from Google and Apple

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Post by onli »

palata wrote: post #137
onli wrote: post #89

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I have never seen drama from /e/ or any other project GrapheneOS attacks, like Calyx. Please link me to it - I asked this several times, people never can follow up. So far?

> Please link me to it - I asked this several times, people never can follow up. So far? Sorry, I won't spend 30 minutes digging to find that :-). I follow /e/OS, GrapheneOS and (followed) Calyx. I have seen messages from all of those either on forums, Mastodon, etc. Also, whenever GrapheneOS makes a technical point (which is often a blunt "GrapheneOS is superior because [...] does it wrong"), many users of those pro…

Sorry, but then I take this as the usual - GOS is attacking other projects, that I can easily see in all their socials, and the other projects have done nothing wrong. GOS always claims that the other projects attack them since years, and never shows any proof. And indeed, I still never have seen any attack against GOS. Seems like this won't change today.

You or other readers can check https://github.com/mozilla/ichnaea/issues/2065 for a public display on how GOS attacks work when they are mixed into technical debates, how they destroy any chance of cooperation.

Re: GrapheneOS – Break Free from Google and Apple

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Post by nickorlow »

voxadam wrote: post #51

While I admire GrapheneOS and its goals, I feel that until we free the proprietary baseband processors and their RTOS from the grips of Qualcomm and friends it's a pyrrhic victory, at best .

iirc Graphene is in talks with an unnamed HW vendor to make a grapheneos specific phone. They refer to the vendor as someone who makes phones and you've likely heard of, but haven't given any more info otherwise.

Re: GrapheneOS – Break Free from Google and Apple

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Post by Tepix »

HunOL wrote: post #133

It's not breaking free from Google, but pretending it does not affect you. You are still at mercy of app developers and Google which may introduce some changes that will affect you. Additionally you never know what will work or stop working.

If something truly unacceptable happens, you still have a while to switch to something else, in the meantime you will still have a working system.

Re: GrapheneOS – Break Free from Google and Apple

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Post by Tharre »

darkwater wrote: post #74
palata wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

When there isn't a perfect solution, the next best thing is... the next best thing :-).

Unless the next best thing makes you think you are already achieving the "perfect solution" for what you think you care about, but in truth does not. I'm not a mobile phone security expert but my feeling is that in the case of GrapheneOS - which target is probably high-profile people at risk of state actors et similia attacks - a zero-day in the closed source firmware from Qualcomm will probably screw you anyway. I u…

> a zero-day in the closed source firmware from Qualcomm will probably screw you anyway.

All the devices that GrapheneOS supports implement a clear separation of the baseband and the CPU in the form of SMMU, ARMs version of IOMMU. So a zero-day in the baseband does not immediately screw you - unless the code on the CPU side also contains vulnerabilities or there is a major flaw in the SMMU implementation that somehow breaks isolation.

Re: GrapheneOS – Break Free from Google and Apple

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Post by franga2000 »

simonh wrote: post #65
franga2000 wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What exactly is the risk of getting temporarily banned on Uber? You have to use a different taxi app ? As if such a thing even exists?!? Unacceptable!! Every app on my phone has at least one other app, usually already installed, that can replace it. This wasn't intentional, it just happened naturally. Unless all two or three apps in a category get blocked for me at the same time, this already unlikely situation is ba…

The key phrase there is "such services". It's not just about one problem once with Uber, it's the risk of problems like this with any service of that kind, or really any service you rely on. If using GrapheneOS significantly increases the risk a person won't be able to use a service they rely on, that may be unacceptable.

But that's my point, what one irreplacable app/service do people rely on? The only thing that comes to my mind is messaging apps, but even there, almost everyone I need to talk to is reachable on at least one other app. I have multiple taxi apps because I compare prices and availability, like any reasonable consumer should. I have two banks, but even if I didn't, I can pay by cash or card, not just phone. If I need to make a bank transfer, I can go to a branch or do it online. I have two map and navigation apps because they have different strengths and weaknesses. My email is accessible by browser if the app breaks.

I'm not doing this on purpose, I just now scrolled through my app list looking for one app that would actually fuck me up if I lost it in an instant. There are none. And I'm not currently even running graphene or anything else, just a stock Samsung.

Re: GrapheneOS – Break Free from Google and Apple

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Post by HunOL »

rcMgD2BwE72F wrote: post #17
Myzel394 wrote: post #10

I've been using GrapheneOS for about 3 years now. For the most part, it works very well. I don't have any issues with banking apps, nor any other closed source apps. I'm using two profiles both with sandboxed Google play installed. I'm logged in into my private Google account on the work profile. However, there was one case that lead me to thinking about ditching grapheneos to this day. I installed Uber on my phone a…

That's clearly a Uber problem. I'm also a GrapheneOS and used Uber once -- it worked.

It's clearly end user problem who is not able to book a ride. Root cause is on Uber side.
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