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Thinking hard burns almost no calories but destroys your next workout

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Re: Thinking hard burns almost no calories but destroys your next workout

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Second anecdote, I take between 10 and 15 grams. I don’t experience cognitive effects at lower doses (though my weightlifting endurance is still higher on lower doses). I also don’t eat meat so don’t have any incidental consumption

What are the cognitive effects?

I experience mental exhaustion more infrequently (the head aching midafternoon slump) and symptoms are reduced

Re: Thinking hard burns almost no calories but destroys your next workout

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> debunk the popular myth for my friends that exercise burns a lot of calories Depends on your level of exercise. I often cycle 100km per day and can tell you if I ate only the 2000 kcal I hypothetically need I would go into a strong deficit.

100km is a lot of exercising...

Try doing 300km in one day, and 100km will seem like cake

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> debunk the popular myth for my friends that exercise burns a lot of calories Can you expand on that please? Because I can tell you as a matter of fact that when I go for a run for an hour I burn well over 800 calories.

> Can you expand on that please? Because I can tell you as a matter of fact that when I go for a run for an hour I burn well over 800 calories Sure - how did you arrive at the 800 kcal figure? Most likely a wearable or an app, and those estimates are based on rough linear regressions from weight, age, sex, and heart rate - not actual calorimetry. The error margins on those numbers are significant, but the devices pre…

You are being idiotic. One hour of running is almost half of my minimum energy expenditure. All the other movements in a typical day only account for about half that, unless I make sure to walk a lot more than most people would.

The brain does increase energy expenditure with activity, but as said in the article, it's quite minimal.

I have been tracking caloric input very precisely and energy expenditure with an Apple Watch (one of the most precise trackers) for a while, and I can guarantee you it all adds up.

In fact, once everything is calibrated, I could predict my weight loss/gain with a 5-10% margin of error at worst (mostly due to imprecision in food calorie accounting and inaccurate energy expenditure tracking).

Too many people try to mystify something that is extremely simple. There are some things to care about (like not going too low on the protein), but it really is all about getting the same amount of energy that you are spending, and that's pretty much all there is to it.

Re: Thinking hard burns almost no calories but destroys your next workout

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What kind of sandwiches are you eating? 800 calories is a ridiculously large sandwich. Even Tesco's bacon & egg triple is only 550 : https://www.tesco.com/groceries/en-GB/products/260422235 I'm struggling to find anything I'd describe as a sandwich come close to 800 calories.

Footlong Spicy Italian at Subway ($10 sandwich) is 1320 cals. EDIT: the trend holds pretty well at the footlong size (which is a big sandwich). 18/26 sandwiches they offer are >1000 calories.

A foot-long sub is not "just a sandwich", it's a meal for 2.

Secondly, I can't see how you can get to 1320 calories for a footlong italian going by this: https://www.subway.com/en-gb/-/media/emea/europe/uk/nutritio...

Even counting footlong bread + footlong Italian Sub it only comes to ~1100.

And as it makes clear, a footlong is 2 6" servings, it's disingenuous to pretend that's a sandwich.

Re: Thinking hard burns almost no calories but destroys your next workout

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Balancing health while being productive as an average adult seems like an impossible equation today. Many people tell me I need to lift weights to lose weight. On mornings when I actually put in real effort, I pay for it with a significant cognitive performance penalty for the remainder of the day. I want to do nothing more than sleep an hour after a workout, which is bad timing, because that's when I need to clock i…

Hate to be the bearer of bad news, but you are likely over training. Check out heart rate zones, optimal workouts for weight loss/muscle gain. IE for endurance sports most of your training time should be zone 2, which if casually “a level of breathing where you could have a conversation”. So not breathing hard. It’s counterintuitive, but you should do workouts pretty close to easy.

I am... not sold on this? The adaptations happen quite fast and you should get quite fast to have the basiline ability for training quite high, so I would say push through the first months. Personally, I feel no adverse cognitive effects form training. On the contrary. So I'm a bit confused a bit about this whole conversation.

Training light is a great way of winding up doing a whole lot of nothing.

Re: Thinking hard burns almost no calories but destroys your next workout

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> Sure it's easier to fast but you're missing out on the other benefits associated with exercise. This is very true, exercise is very important for health regardless of its effect on weight. > For cardio sure but for weight training you're burning calories and tearing muscle fibres to increase size/strength. True, but you need to spend even more time to rack up 800 Cal worth of exercise by weight training compared to…

Yeah, unfortunately back of envelope physics math about the kC burned for lifting weights is deeply disappointing. Luckily our bodies are quite inefficient compared to a bomb-calorimeter, because back of envelope gets me less than a (k)calorie per 3 sets of 5 lifts, if you just do lazy potential energy math.

A tiny technical note - Cal is the official symbol for a "large calorie", equal to a kcal, 1000 cal, if you want to be precise but concise on the exact type of calorie you're talking about.

Re: Thinking hard burns almost no calories but destroys your next workout

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Yeah, unfortunately back of envelope physics math about the kC burned for lifting weights is deeply disappointing. Luckily our bodies are quite inefficient compared to a bomb-calorimeter, because back of envelope gets me less than a (k)calorie per 3 sets of 5 lifts, if you just do lazy potential energy math.

A tiny technical note - Cal is the official symbol for a "large calorie", equal to a kcal, 1000 cal, if you want to be precise but concise on the exact type of calorie you're talking about.

Duly noted!

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You really couldn't tell? The overly dramatic transitions all over the place is such an obvious tell: > Here's the part that surprised me: Might as well have said "here's the kicker" and used emojis instead of bullets. Maybe you can share your reading sites as you seem rather undrrexposed to not recognize this immediately lol. Edit: I mean come on man, how can you not tell?! I'm still cringing from this one: > The in…

Hmmm... I write like this. Maybe AI is being trained on my writings. Edit: Maybe because I was raised in the 80s, but this style of "asking a question to introduce a topic" was very common back then.

Do you really write like this in every single paragraph?

Re: Thinking hard burns almost no calories but destroys your next workout

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Hmmm... I write like this. Maybe AI is being trained on my writings. Edit: Maybe because I was raised in the 80s, but this style of "asking a question to introduce a topic" was very common back then.

I do that too. It feels more natural, like I'm telling you what I am going to try to answer.

Do you really write like this in every single paragraph?

Re: Thinking hard burns almost no calories but destroys your next workout

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Footlong Spicy Italian at Subway ($10 sandwich) is 1320 cals. EDIT: the trend holds pretty well at the footlong size (which is a big sandwich). 18/26 sandwiches they offer are >1000 calories.

A foot-long sub is not "just a sandwich", it's a meal for 2. Secondly, I can't see how you can get to 1320 calories for a footlong italian going by this: https://www.subway.com/en-gb/-/media/emea/europe/uk/nutritio... Even counting footlong bread + footlong Italian Sub it only comes to ~1100. And as it makes clear, a footlong is 2 6" servings, it's disingenuous to pretend that's a sandwich.

I'm talking about what happens in reality, not what the "serving size" is. Gobs of folks order a footlong at Subway and eat it for their meal.

As for nitpicking on calories: the Subway site is incredibly tough to navigate. Just use https://subwaymenupedia.com/, since averaging across location is really tough.

I wish my point were uncontroversial: millions of people buy footlongs that are over 1000 calories as a regular habit. I'm critiquing folks that are incredulous about this. Subway is just an example, you can also look at Quizno's (back in the day) and Jersey Mike's (the modern equivalent). Even my local deli serves sandwiches well beyond 800 calories as their special. It's not an interesting argument to have, though. Shops wouldn't offer these meals if folks weren't buying, and I don't believe everyone's doing take-out with the second half for dinner or lunch the next day.

EDIT: Another good source to browse: https://fastfoodnutrition.org/subway

You're really arguing about whether that 800 calorie run could be offset completely by a normal meal. I think it's fair to say that runners doing 800 calorie runs aren't going to Panda Express, but also at the same time:

https://fastfoodnutrition.org/panda-express

Fried rice: 520

Orange Chicken: 370

Total: 890

And most Panda Express orders include two sides, so add an extra ~300 for that (1190).

I think it's fair to say that it's pretty easy for the average American to go out and buy lunch and exceed 800 calories.

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