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Dark web agent spotted bedroom wall clue to rescue girl from abuse

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Re: Dark web agent spotted bedroom wall clue to rescue girl from abuse

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Post by nandomrumber »

holmesworcester wrote: post #122
ndiddy wrote: post #109

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The whole thing about people getting put on the sex offender registry for public urination is a myth and there's no verifiable cases of it happening. There are two cases that are relatively close. The first is James Birch, who pled guilty to indecent exposure for peeing on a Taco Bell because he was representing himself and didn't understand that meant he'd have to register as a sex offender. He realized his mistake…

It was standard practice by the police and DA in 2000s Massachusetts. Neighbors were annoyed at loud college parties at the school I went to, so local police waited in bushes to catch people peeing in them, arrested them, and one of the charges was indecent exposure. Happened to one person I knew personally so it must have happened to several others at just this school. My friend plead out to some lower charge or pro…

Are you entitled to a jury trial for peeing in the bushes in the USA?

That isn’t the case here in Australia.

You can go to trial, but it will be a judge-only trial, and is typically conducted by the magistrate who saw you for your first appearance on the matter, in the magistrates court, which is the lowest court here.

I believe most of the colonies are approximately the same.

Re: Dark web agent spotted bedroom wall clue to rescue girl from abuse

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Post by noufalibrahim »

rectang wrote: post #44
Aurornis wrote: post #30

Am I reading this correctly that the address where they found the child was where her mother’s boyfriend was living? > "So we narrowed it down to [this] one address… and started the process of confirming who was living there through state records, driver's licence… information on schools," says Squire. > The team realised that in the household with Lucy was her mother's boyfriend - a convicted sex offender. There’s a…

There's also a lot of "WHY AREN'T YOU FOCUSING ON THE MOTHER?" whataboutism in the comments, which I find appalling. The article was about something else, and who knows what her circumstances were.

True. Damaged parents are often the kinds of people who are taken advantage of by sex offenders. I think it requires a social fix of some kind.

Re: Dark web agent spotted bedroom wall clue to rescue girl from abuse

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Post by eurleif »

nandomrumber wrote: post #141
holmesworcester wrote: post #122

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It was standard practice by the police and DA in 2000s Massachusetts. Neighbors were annoyed at loud college parties at the school I went to, so local police waited in bushes to catch people peeing in them, arrested them, and one of the charges was indecent exposure. Happened to one person I knew personally so it must have happened to several others at just this school. My friend plead out to some lower charge or pro…

Are you entitled to a jury trial for peeing in the bushes in the USA? That isn’t the case here in Australia. You can go to trial, but it will be a judge-only trial, and is typically conducted by the magistrate who saw you for your first appearance on the matter, in the magistrates court, which is the lowest court here. I believe most of the colonies are approximately the same.

You are constitutionally entitled to a jury trial for any criminal charge in the US under the Sixth Amendment.

Re: Dark web agent spotted bedroom wall clue to rescue girl from abuse

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Post by furyofantares »

aussieguy1234 wrote: post #138
phire wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sex offender registries are just registries. They only work if someone decides to actually do a query. It might prevent them from getting a childcare job, but it doesn't really prevent them from accessing children at all. The registers are also massively bloated, some people get put on them for nothing more than public urination. The only sex offenders who actually get regular checks that might identify this type of…

> some people get put on them for nothing more than public urination When minor offences can get people put on the register, this dilutes the meaning of being on the register. Every actual sex offender will claim they're on there not because of the serious crimes they committed, but because they went nude on the wrong beach, or something similarly minor.

Have you ever looked at one of the registries?

The ones I've seen have had details about the offense(s).

Re: Dark web agent spotted bedroom wall clue to rescue girl from abuse

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Post by TurdF3rguson »

rectang wrote: post #87
eastbound wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> the strangest part about this story was that the child’s mother was dating a convicted sex offender 70.6% of beaten children are beaten at the mother’s custody. Most often it turns out the choice of companion of the mother is inappropriate. While many see that as blaming the mother and it is a huge taboo in our society, it is such a huge humanitarian problem that it’s worth educating women better over that specific…

> While many see that as blaming the mother Yes, that's how I see it. > it is such a huge humanitarian problem that it’s worth educating women better over that specific problem, and taking sanctions if necessary. "Sanctions"? This is an article about successful digital sleuthing, but your takeaway is that we need to punish the mother?

Not to mention we're talking about rape not beatings. Beatings wouldn't put DHS on the case.

Re: Dark web agent spotted bedroom wall clue to rescue girl from abuse

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Post by OisinMoran »

dafelst wrote: post #50
Nextgrid wrote: post #11

Note: the "agent" the title refers to has nothing to do with an AI/LLM agent. Originally I thought this had something to do with an AI agent, as if someone put an AI agent in charge of identifying dark web pictures for clues. It's a good story nevertheless and I'm glad the victim was rescued, but nothing to do with AI/LLMs.

The term "agent" with regards to law enforcement substantially predates "agent" in the context of AI.

To be fair, I initially had the same thought, and the HN item just two below this as I write also has agent (but the LLM kind) in its title.

Re: Dark web agent spotted bedroom wall clue to rescue girl from abuse

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Post by nandomrumber »

eurleif wrote: post #143
nandomrumber wrote: post #141

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are you entitled to a jury trial for peeing in the bushes in the USA? That isn’t the case here in Australia. You can go to trial, but it will be a judge-only trial, and is typically conducted by the magistrate who saw you for your first appearance on the matter, in the magistrates court, which is the lowest court here. I believe most of the colonies are approximately the same.

You are constitutionally entitled to a jury trial for any criminal charge in the US under the Sixth Amendment.

Thanks.

I’d imagine it would be cost prohibitive to take a peeing in the bushes charge to jury trial though?

Sounds like the sort of thing one would only do if they were aiming to set a precedent for some reason?

Re: Dark web agent spotted bedroom wall clue to rescue girl from abuse

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Post by rectang »

PinkSheep wrote: post #126
rectang wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's also a lot of "WHY AREN'T YOU FOCUSING ON THE MOTHER?" whataboutism in the comments, which I find appalling. The article was about something else, and who knows what her circumstances were.

You are right, the article is about: > She said at the point Homeland Security ended her abuse she had been "praying actively for it to end". You can provide your plausible suggestions as to what the family relationship looked like that the girl could neither ask her own mother for help nor was her father there for her.

My heart breaks for parents who learn that their children found themselves unable to confide in them about rape.

Re: Dark web agent spotted bedroom wall clue to rescue girl from abuse

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Post by Seattle3503 »

jimt1234 wrote: post #123
sciencesama wrote: post #38

Not sure how we can help such heros !! These are the people that make the world a better place !!

I can't understand how anyone can do such a job for any length of time. I worked at a PC repair shop back in the 90s, fixed some dude's PC, and I saw a bunch of CSAM stuff (a lot, like thousands of pics, all children). I reported it to the local cops, then the FBI got involved, and that's the last I heard of it. My point is that the memory of those pics haunt me to this day. And I only saw a handful of pics, over, ma…

yeah and from the article, it sounds like they chat with the perps and befriend them to build trust.

Re: Dark web agent spotted bedroom wall clue to rescue girl from abuse

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Post by directevolve »

Aurornis wrote: post #51
rectang wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's also a lot of "WHY AREN'T YOU FOCUSING ON THE MOTHER?" whataboutism in the comments, which I find appalling. The article was about something else, and who knows what her circumstances were.

Most crimes like this are, sadly, committed by someone who has some connection to the family. It’s standard to investigate connections first. That’s not “appalling” to suggest, it’s just a sad reality of these crimes. They should be focusing on everyone connected to the family if known. It would be negligent not to. The confusion came from the way the article was written. They didn’t know the identity until afterward…

I just want to point out that there’s a huge difference between thoroughly investigating the family after abuse of this magnitude has been proven, and making parents legally culpable for any harm that comes to their children in general.

We can react to the fact that mothers can do more to protect their children from abuse in many ways. We can give them better access to information and support in getting away from abusers. We can create better links between police and communities they serve. We can create more pathways for children to be exposed to healthy adult behavior and connections with healthy adults, even when the family is dysfunctional.

But when we find evidence that existing supports have failed, deeply investigating why is critical.

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