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Peter Thiel: 2,436 emails with Epstein from 2014 to 2019

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Re: Peter Thiel: 2,436 emails with Epstein from 2014 to 2019

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> Especially as this was in the context of how Greta Thunberg, who, to the best of my knowledge, has no kids of her own and thus doesn't need to also cover the cost of their hobbies or how to get them to school And comes from the rich middle-class background. But let's ignore that, because all that matters is small financial discipline.

You are both ignoring what my actual point was, which was that some organized propagandist wants the discussion to be about Greta Thunberg's virtue or lack of it.

Noted.

That means I phrased my comments badly, to whit I was trying to make the point "this attempt to dig dirt is simply not interesting because…", which is neither virtue nor lack of it, but a lack of stickiness to what appears to be an implicit claim of vice.

Re: Peter Thiel: 2,436 emails with Epstein from 2014 to 2019

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Nah, I've met him. He believes plenty of nutjob shit.

One thing we learned from the Epstein documents was that he was very good at controlling people's perception of him. It would be wrong, for instance, to think his derisive use of "goy" was reflective of real beliefs. He just found it useful to come across that way to some people. He took pride in "befriending" both Røed-Larsen (architect of the Oslo agreement, moderate on Israel) and Noam Chomsky (big Israel critic)…

Ah yes, much better to just assert your own perception of what they believe, even in contradiction to their stated words and visible actions.

Sometimes people just believe insane shit.

"Standard religious orthodoxy for major religion but stated explicitly in relation to modern events" isn't even on the outer perimeter of insane. In principle, billions of people believe most of what Thiel believes.

It's just unusual to hear an allegedly smart person actually say it out loud in earnest, because when you do, a smart person realizes that in fact mainstream religious views (any Abrahamic religion's apocalypse lore) are fucking insane.

But that's just reason to think Thiel has some more courage, more confidence, or less to lose than your standard intelligent Christian. All of which is obviously true. It is not reason to believe he doesn't earnestly believe basic tenets of his own religion, which you have provided no evidence for.

> He took pride in "befriending" both Røed-Larsen (architect of the Oslo agreement, moderate on Israel) and Noam Chomsky (big Israel critic) at the same time he was shooting the shit with ethnic supremacists.

There's literally nothing even contradictory in this, so not sure what you think this demonstrates. One can simultaneously be friends with all of the above characters -- in earnest.

Re: Peter Thiel: 2,436 emails with Epstein from 2014 to 2019

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Exactly. The wife too, "If I were a billionaire…" I have to stop her right there. I stop myself there too. Neither one of us could, in any iteration of life, become billionaires. (There's a time-travel story for someone. Like the movie Primer but with one person who round-trips through time—placing stock bets and other investments in order to become wealthy. When they screw up an investment they get a do-over. Life a…

You may be interested in the excellent film "About Time". It has a similar, though not exactly the same, premise and conclusion.

I'm a fan of time travel sci-fi films and series, but the way that's presented as a romance film (written and directed by Richard Curtis) has always turned me off from it. On the plus side, it has Bill Nighy who I think is superb, but has the film got enough depth for me to get over the romance?

Re: Peter Thiel: 2,436 emails with Epstein from 2014 to 2019

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We've banned this account for repeatedly violating the site guidelines and for using HN primarily for political and ideological battle, which is not allowed here regardless of what you're battling for or against. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

No. You were told to ban this 5 year old account, with a karma above 60,000 because it criticized Peter Thiel.

It is easy to see here: https://news.ycombinator.com/submitted?id=belter

the submission track of the account, to see you are being untruthful.

The same way you are untruthful, about not disclosing to the community the silently throttling back many of many accounts, not allowing them to post or even reply to comments in a middle of what you decided is acceptable discourse. All the while, at the same time you have here:

https://news.ycombinator.com/leaders

Accounts associated with VCs, that do 10 to 20 submissions a day.

You also have been allowing accounts that systematically down vote tech related posts or comments, who are not sympathetic to the current administration. Is that also engaging in political discourse?

And worst you are untruthful, to the community, in not disclosing the main page is manually curated. You actually move posts post with 400 comments within minutes to the 20th or 40th page, if they are somewhat uncomfortable. While pushing to the main page every single submission from OpenAI or Anthropic even if they have 2-3 comments.

Compared to a few years ago, you let the HN main page, transform itself into 90% submissions on Agentic AI. It might serve the 600 billion critical investment of your pay masters, but transformed something where a few years ago, you had posts from Philosophy, Physics, Math, Literature, etc... to nothing more than a marketing poster to the AI VC bros.

Understand that the vast majority outside Silicon Valley, does NOT care about AI, GenAI , AI code generators. They are Hackers...not VCs

Re: Peter Thiel: 2,436 emails with Epstein from 2014 to 2019

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It's so weird to me that these folks don't just retire with a bag of money to a nice beach house and enjoy life. They're always seeming to meddle. And in doing so they take away our, and their peace. It's like they're troubled deeply and they need us to be also? Why can't they just not do demonstrably evil, deeply wrong things?

You are getting closer to realizing that becoming a billionaire demands a psychological detachment most people would find disturbing... It is not always brilliance that drives the relentless accumulation of wealth, but a deep, unresolved hole...an inner void shaped by trauma, by the need for validation never received from a parent, a world, or a past self. That constant dissatisfaction fuels an endless pursuit of wea…

Daddy Issues Billionaire Archetype. Many such cases!

That's our success symbol, in this age. A sad time.

Re: Peter Thiel: 2,436 emails with Epstein from 2014 to 2019

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We've banned this account for repeatedly violating the site guidelines and for using HN primarily for political and ideological battle, which is not allowed here regardless of what you're battling for or against. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

No. You were told to ban this 5 year old account, with a karma above 60,000 because it criticized Peter Thiel. It is easy to see here: https://news.ycombinator.com/submitted?id=belter the submission track of the account, to see you are being untruthful. The same way you are untruthful, about not disclosing to the community the silently throttling back many of many accounts, not allowing them to post or even reply to…

No one told me to ban your account, I do not track your views on Peter Thiel, and karma is not a factor.

We've asked you repeatedly to stop breaking the site guidelines and explained to you more than once that using the site primarily for political or ideological battle is against the rules. You've continued to post lots of flamewar comments and even many of the non-political ones have been snarky or aggressive. That's a lot of poison added to the ecosystem. What made you think that was ok? We told you repeatedly that it wasn't:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43755154 (April 2025)

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43142554 (Feb 2025)

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35605974 (April 2023)

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27397254 (June 2021)

When I saw you getting aggressive with that other user yesterday, for me it was the final straw and I banned your account. (The other user also, of course, but whether your account was breaking the rules has nothing to do with what someone else was doing.)

You've listed a lot of grievances here, which I suppose is natural at such a moment, but I don't know if it makes sense to go through them in detail. I do want to point out that this bit is wrong: "you are untruthful, to the community, in not disclosing the main page is manually curated": https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que...

I/we have nothing against you personally, and if you genuinely want to use HN as intended, we can unban your account. The main thing we'd need to do that is some reason to believe that you've had a change of heart about how to contribute to HN and will follow the rules in the future.

Re: Peter Thiel: 2,436 emails with Epstein from 2014 to 2019

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I'd argue that's not really stupidity, it's more of a moral and spiritual failing. IMO those are really two separate axes, you can be very smart and also completely evil or quite dumb but a genuinely good person

It's not very smart to fail morally and spiritually, over and over, without ever looking into why or trying to correct the issues. It does take intelligence of a particular kind to examine yourself and what makes you happy, fulfilled. And it takes a certain kind of stupidity to become greedy for more and more and more, neverending. I don't believe that intelligence is a single axis. You can even have different levels…

Umm, I am not sure. If you can type on HN you are probably much richer than most in 3rd world countries and you for sure can give majority of your wealth to them. Almost everyone of any richness thinks they are not rich enough although almost everyone in tech probably is.

Re: Peter Thiel: 2,436 emails with Epstein from 2014 to 2019

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It's not very smart to fail morally and spiritually, over and over, without ever looking into why or trying to correct the issues. It does take intelligence of a particular kind to examine yourself and what makes you happy, fulfilled. And it takes a certain kind of stupidity to become greedy for more and more and more, neverending. I don't believe that intelligence is a single axis. You can even have different levels…

Umm, I am not sure. If you can type on HN you are probably much richer than most in 3rd world countries and you for sure can give majority of your wealth to them. Almost everyone of any richness thinks they are not rich enough although almost everyone in tech probably is.

Which part of what I said are you unsure about? I'm pretty confident about it.

> If you can type on HN you are probably much richer than most in 3rd world countries

Centuries of exploitation, ongoing, that we all benefit from. Yes.

> and you for sure can give majority of your wealth to them.

Well, no, not really. Not if I want to own a house, and be able to retire some day. For those living in America it's even tougher; where a medical emergency can bankrupt a lot of people.

But what you're missing is that the difference between being a millionaire (which I'm not even) and a billionaire is ... About a billion dollars.

And rather than help 3rd world countries, or even the hungry people in their own, billionaires generally do shit like what's in the Epstein Files (which Thiel explicitly is) and the Panama Papers to keep things getting even better for themselves at everyone else's expense.

So, you're conflating two very, very different scenarios.

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