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Post by throw444420394 »

bmay wrote: post #139
throw444420394 wrote: post #123

What to understand of this whole story: This is a vibe coded agent that is replicable in little time. There is no value in the technology itself. There is value in the idea of personal agents, but this idea is not new. The value is in the hype, from the perspective of OpenAI. I believe they are wrong (see next points) We will see a proliferation of personal agents. For a short time, the money will be in the API usage…

> Those hypes are forgotten as fast as they are created. Remember Cursor? of course--i use it every day. are you implying Cursor is dead? they raised $2B in funding 3 months ago and are at $1B in ARR...

It was a success for the company, but it is unlikely to survive long term. Now people are all focusing on Claude Code and Codex. Cursor is surviving because there are many folks that can't survive a terminal session. And because we are still in a transition stage where people look at the code, but will look at the code every day less, and more at the results and the prompts. And at the quality of the agent orchestration / tools. I don't believe the Cursor future will be bright. Anyway: my example was about how fast things are forgotten in this space.

Re: I’m joining OpenAI

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throw444420394 wrote: post #123

What to understand of this whole story: This is a vibe coded agent that is replicable in little time. There is no value in the technology itself. There is value in the idea of personal agents, but this idea is not new. The value is in the hype, from the perspective of OpenAI. I believe they are wrong (see next points) We will see a proliferation of personal agents. For a short time, the money will be in the API usage…

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Re: I’m joining OpenAI

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Post by akmarinov »

So that’s OpenClaw dead then.

It took all of Peter’s time to move it forward, even with maintainers (who he complained got immediately hired by AI companies).

Now he’s gonna be working on other stuff at OpenAI, so OpenClaw will be dead real quick.

Also I was following him for his AI coding experience even before the whole OpenClaw thing, he’ll likely stop posting about his experiences working with AI as well

Re: I’m joining OpenAI

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Post by jackblemming »

I appreciate the author’s work and he seems like a good guy.

In spite of that, it’s incredibly obvious OpenClaw was pushed by bots across pretty much every social media platform and that’s weird and unsettling.

Re: I’m joining OpenAI

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Post by Aurornis »

mark_l_watson wrote: post #90

I have not run OpenClaw and similar frameworks because of security concerns, but I enjoy the author's success, good for him. There are very few companies who I trust with my digital data and thus trust to host something like OpenClaw and run it on my behalf: American Express, Capital One, maybe Proton, and *maybe* Apple. I managed an AI lab team at Capital One and personally I trust them. I am for local compute, priv…

> There are very few companies who I trust with my digital data and thus trust to host something like OpenClaw and run it on my behalf: American Express, Capital One, maybe Proton, and maybe Apple. I managed an AI lab team at Capital One and personally I trust them.

I don't really understand what this has to do with the post or even OpenClaw. The big draw of OpenClaw (as I understand it) was that you could run it locally on your own system. Supposedly, per this post, OpenClaw is moving to a foundation and they've committed to letting the author continue working on it while on the OpenAI payroll. I doubt that, but it's a sign that they're making it explicitly not an OpenAI product.

OpenClaw's success and resulting PR hype explosion came from ignoring all of the trust and security guardrails that any big company would have to abide by. It would be a disaster of the highest order if it had been associated with any big company from the start. Because it felt like a grassroots experiment all of the extreme security problems were shifted to the users' responsibility.

It's going to be interesting to see where it goes from here. This blog post is already hinting that they're putting OpenClaw at arm's length by putting it into a foundation.

Re: I’m joining OpenAI

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Post by flyinglizard »

throw444420394 wrote: post #123

What to understand of this whole story: This is a vibe coded agent that is replicable in little time. There is no value in the technology itself. There is value in the idea of personal agents, but this idea is not new. The value is in the hype, from the perspective of OpenAI. I believe they are wrong (see next points) We will see a proliferation of personal agents. For a short time, the money will be in the API usage…

I think Cursor is doing pretty well in the enterprise space. It seems much more useful than just throwing agents upon subagents on an unsuspecting task like Claude Code.

Re: I’m joining OpenAI

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Post by maplethorpe »

> That’ll need a much broader change, a lot more thought on how to do it safely, and access to the very latest models and research.

You work for OpenAI now. You don't have to worry about safety anymore.

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Post by 8note »

rukuu001 wrote: post #132
jacquesm wrote: post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

AMEX, Capital One and Apple are not even close to the top of the list of companies that I would trust with my digital data.

Never mind the list of companies - I'd be very curious to know what the 'trust signals' are that would help you trust a company?

I'd go for a co-operative ownership model rather than capitalist?

and make sure the member/owners are all of like mind, and willing to pay more to ensure security and privacy

Re: I’m joining OpenAI

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Post by Aurornis »

Ampned wrote: post #96

It’s not like Anthropic or OpenAI were not working on “AI assistants” before OpenClaw, it’s pretty much the endgame as I can see it. This guy just single handedly released something useful (and very insecure) before anyone else. Although that’s impressive, I don’t see more than an acquisition of the hype by OpenAI.

> This guy just single handedly released something useful (and very insecure) before anyone else.

It has been interesting to watch this take off. It wasn't the first or even best agent framework and it deliberately avoided all of the hard problems that others were trying to solve, like security.

What it did have was unnatural levels of hype and PR. A lot of that PR, ironically, came from all of the things that were happening because it had so many problems with security and so many examples of bad behavior. The chaos and lack of guardrails made it successful.

Re: I’m joining OpenAI

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Post by fragmede »

CuriouslyC wrote: post #59
linkregister wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Reminds me of Facebook, there was nothing particularly interesting about a PHP app that stored photos and text in a flat user environment. Yet somehow the network effects worked out well and the website was the preeminent social network for almost a decade.

Except in this case there's no network effect for autonomous agents. In fact, Peter is going to be working mostly on an OpenAI locked down, ecosystem tied agent, which means it's going to be worse than OpenClaw, but with a nicer out of the box experience.

If you're on OpenAI, and I'm on Anthropic, can we interoperate? What level are we even trying to interoperate on? The network effect is that, hey, my stuff is working here, your stuff is working over there. So do we move to your set of tools, or my set of tools, or do we mismash between them, as our relationship and power dynamics choose for us.
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