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You can't trust the internet anymore

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Re: You can't trust the internet anymore

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Post by archagon »

lazystar wrote: post #5
eterm wrote: post #2

It is the failure mode of incorrect trust that has changed. Previously you might get burned with some bad information or incorrect data or get taken in by a clever hoax once in a while. Now you get overwhelmed by regurgitation, which itself gets fed back into the machine. The ratio of people to bots reading is crashed to near zero. We have burned the web.

I've been miserable over the last few weeks after coming to that same conclusion. Its so bad that i doubt the people that were pulling the strings can even tell whats going on anymore.

If the web is burned, something new will arise in its place (with new constraints) as long as there's a need. It's not like we only get one shot at this.

Re: You can't trust the internet anymore

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Post by shynome »

xantronix wrote: post #19
WD-42 wrote: post #16

This is why my friends and I are setting up a mesh network in our town. The open internet has been going downhill for a while, but LLMs are absolutely accelerating it's demise. I was in denial for the last few years but at this point I've accepted that the internet I grew up on as a kid in the late 90s to mid 2000s is dead. I am grateful for having experienced it but the time has come to move on. The future for peopl…

I've been looking into building some sort of Wireguard mesh service since many of my friends are distributed all across the world. I wish you the very best in your endeavours!

hi, I have do it, here is link: https://well.remoon.net/ source repo: https://github.com/remoon-net/well, it only have chinese version now, afer chinese spring I will add the english version

Re: You can't trust the internet anymore

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Post by marginalia_nu »

lofaszvanitt wrote: post #137
marginalia_nu wrote: post #6

Tangentially related, I have a hunch, but cannot prove, that prediction markets are the driving force behind a lot of the bad information online, since they essentially monetarily incentivize making people misjudge the state of the world. There's been a huge uptick in this sort of brigade like behavior around current events. First noted it around LK99, that failed room temperature semiconductor in 2023, but it just k…

How do you misjudge the world based on web articles? If you don't have proper foundations where to source your information from you are already doomed.

It's generally not articles that are used, but discussion boards and social media. If it seems like everyone agrees on something, it's very easy to get dragged into thinking the idea has merit

Re: You can't trust the internet anymore

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Post by _yclj »

noosphr wrote: post #66
cortesoft wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This seems like solving the problem at the wrong layer? The issue isn’t the actual network connection between people, it is the content. You could easily create your own forum or something and only include people you trust. You don’t need an entirely separate internet.

>The issue isn’t the actual network connection between people, it is the content. Everyone serving a website is being ddos by AI agents right now. A local mesh network is one way to make sure that no one with a terabit network can index you.

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Re: You can't trust the internet anymore

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Post by efilife »

1over137 wrote: post #125
noosphr wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>The issue isn’t the actual network connection between people, it is the content. Everyone serving a website is being ddos by AI agents right now. A local mesh network is one way to make sure that no one with a terabit network can index you.

Could you just geoblock the USA? Is most/all AI agent scraping from there?

Geoblocking is nontrivial

Re: You can't trust the internet anymore

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Post by fatherwavelet »

ninjagoo wrote: post #3

The internet has gone from a high-trust society to a low-trust society, all in the span of a couple of decades. Enshittification strikes again. And it doesn't have appear to have any means to rid itself of the bad apples. A sad situation all around.

The good old days when you could trust everything posted on usenet to be true.

We must live on different planets.

Re: You can't trust the internet anymore

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Post by OrderlyTiamat »

1over137 wrote: post #125
noosphr wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>The issue isn’t the actual network connection between people, it is the content. Everyone serving a website is being ddos by AI agents right now. A local mesh network is one way to make sure that no one with a terabit network can index you.

Could you just geoblock the USA? Is most/all AI agent scraping from there?

If it's a mesh network your peers are tech savvy enough for a mesh vpn like wireguard, which also doesn't get ai-ddos'ed.

Re: You can't trust the internet anymore

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Post by lazide »

LexiMax wrote: post #82
drysart wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The best solution for dealing with AI content slop flooding your eyeballs is to hang out in places small enough to be a community -- like a local area mesh network. AI slop thrives in anonymity. In a community that's developed its own established norms and people who know each other, AI content trying to be passed off as genuine stands out like a sore thumb and is easily eradicated before it gets a chance to take roo…

You can still find the essence of community on the traditional internet in places like invite-only discords, smaller mastodon instances, traditional forums, and spaces similar to Lobsters and Tildes. ...and not on Hacker News. Too many pseudo-anonymous jerks, too many throwaways, too much faith placed in gamified moderation tools.

Potentially, but those areas are also more and more getting leveraged to further identify and profile people for targeting - see the latest Discord scandal for example.

Re: You can't trust the internet anymore

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Post by lazide »

3eb7988a1663 wrote: post #38
marginalia_nu wrote: post #6

Tangentially related, I have a hunch, but cannot prove, that prediction markets are the driving force behind a lot of the bad information online, since they essentially monetarily incentivize making people misjudge the state of the world. There's been a huge uptick in this sort of brigade like behavior around current events. First noted it around LK99, that failed room temperature semiconductor in 2023, but it just k…

That seems really high effort. I assume most events are things which are hard to influence, so at best you are hoping to tilt the wager odds into your favor. Which could backfire if you are betting on the wrong outcome.

There have been a number of recent incidents in prediction markets where insiders have directly influenced the outcome after taking the opposite side of the bets.
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