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Platforms bend over backward to help DHS censor ICE critics, advocates say

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Re: Platforms bend over backward to help DHS censor ICE critics, advocates say

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As an anecdote, a few days ago Kagi's Research (Experimental) model had no problem generating critical images of Trump and Vance. But yesterday it expressly refused to generate the likeness of Pam Bondi. (This is surely the underlying component models' censuring, not Kagi's.)

They can use AI to generate images of and mock protestors crying while being arrested, but you can't use AI to mock them. Nice.

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They are both fully legal.

That's, at the minimum, debatable. The primary point of people reporting on the location if ICE agents is to enable other people to evade or interfere with law enforcement. And that walks right into the illegal zone in various ways - accessory, obstruction, interference, aiding and abetting, and so on.

It really isn't debatable. You aren't responsible for what other people do with information you give them. If someone told you "I'm going to commit a crime, tell me if the police are nearby" it would be probably illegal to tell them (as furtherance to a conspiracy), but without an agreement to help commit an illegal act it's totally legal

Re: Platforms bend over backward to help DHS censor ICE critics, advocates say

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Buddy what article do you think you are currently commenting on?

I'm commenting on an article about an American advocacy group filing a lawsuit accusing high-ranking government officials of misconduct, another thing that similarly situated people in China cannot do. Again, happy to admit the possibility I could be wrong: are there cases I don't know about where Chinese citizens file lawsuits accusing the Ministry of State Security of misconduct? The content of the lawsuit argues,…

Thank you. Your reply is more respectful than I earned.

On paper americans have all these rights, but surely you are seeing how the paper is not matching the reality in many ways, and very little is being done to fix that as tens of millions of americans outright support the paper being ignored, so how can you trust that disparity to not come for your paper rights to speak? Already those same courts you are relying on have thrown away real rights, and the administration itself flouts those same courts regularly.

Chinese citizens have a lot of rights on paper too, including right to freedom of expression. I would bet you could find occasional cases or situations in China where some lowly citizen "wins" against the government, as that always looks good, but that doesn't make it meaningful and I can't read or speak any Chinese languages to back up this suspicion.

It's only going to take one Supreme Court case to change the paper rights. Do you feel this supreme court has shown a preference for principles over administration?

Re: Platforms bend over backward to help DHS censor ICE critics, advocates say

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See my edited comment, with a link to the NY Times's frame-by-frame, time-synced compilation of various video angles. She didn't run over him or even hit him.

They don't care

Nazi sympathizers don't care about facts

Re: Platforms bend over backward to help DHS censor ICE critics, advocates say

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See my edited comment, with a link to the NY Times's frame-by-frame, time-synced compilation of various video angles. She didn't run over him or even hit him.

They don't care Nazi sympathizers don't care about facts

I know. But being nasty to (him?) would just make it that much less likely that he’d ever see things in a different light someday.

Re: Platforms bend over backward to help DHS censor ICE critics, advocates say

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As an anecdote, a few days ago Kagi's Research (Experimental) model had no problem generating critical images of Trump and Vance. But yesterday it expressly refused to generate the likeness of Pam Bondi. (This is surely the underlying component models' censuring, not Kagi's.)

That’s anecdotal evidence demonstrating the wonders of simple probability. There’s so much opacity to refusals that claims like this (currently) can’t have enough rigor to be used to make an argument.

To strongly make the claim you’re making you’d have had to perform extensive before/after tests to be able to compare.

That said - the lack of transparency that’s making you feel uncomfortable with this whole thing, that is concerning.

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> nobody has been killed that wasn’t carrying a gun with extra ammo or striking cops with their vehicle. The video evidence shows beyond peradventure that Renee Good didn't strike the ICE agent — who isn't a cop — with her vehicle. EDIT: See the NY Times's frame-by-frame, time-synchronized compilation of the various videos [0], especially starting at about 3:42 in that video [1]. The agent wasn't hit by Good's vehicl…

> The video evidence shows beyond peradventure that Renee Good didn't strike an ICE agent Let's not get caught up arguing about the play-by-play details. There will always be rabid disagreement regardless of merit, causing us to miss the crux of the matter. The important big-picture dynamic is that the agent set up the situation so he'd have an excuse to kill the next person who tried to drive away from him, directly…

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