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Inside Epstein’s network: what 1.4M emails reveal

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Post by jrflowers »

anechouapechou wrote: post #115
jrflowers wrote: post #53

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> (example: cannibalism) which people are now taking as the truth I haven’t seen any indication of “people that didn’t previously believe in cannibal elites now believe in cannibal elites after reading the emails” being a phenomenon that actually exists. I’ve yet to interact with anyone that has seriously said “I didn’t believe they ate babies on Tuesday but it is Thursday and now I believe they were eating babies.”…

https://www.justice.gov/epstein Search "jerky"

I have read the jerky emails, and watched a long discussion of them between a bunch of folks, and I still don’t know a single person that went from not believing in cannibals to believing in cannibals.

The range of responses I ultimately saw was “this proves my existing belief that they were eating babies” to “wow that guy’s colon must’ve been a disaster”. The “I already believed they were eating babies” crowd lost a lot of steam and went quiet as soon as someone pointed out that there are several reasons why people refrigerate jerky (high-fat jerky, lack of nitrites in the recipe, humid conditions, etc.)

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Post by jalapenoj »

asdff wrote: post #94
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Not shocking that this is downvoted around here. On X and the amount of anti-semitic content this is fueling is scary. As a Jewish person, I can't help feel that the magnitude of the outrage is because Epstein and quite a few of his associates were rich Jews. Not to downplay what they did as it was horrible, but I don't recall similar levels of outrage about all the scandals in the Catholic Church. Epstein isn't the…

>It's hard not to feel like a lot of people want to paint a picture that Jews are especially depraved and amoral. That is because it is true, a lot of people do want to paint all Jews like that. People would probably find the catholic church stuff even juicier if the vatican was running an intelligence agency that brokers with most other western intelligence agencies with these same rapists. The thing with Epstein is…

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Post by olelele »

salawat wrote: post #140
janalsncm wrote: post #48

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There is a book “Nothing Is True and Everything Is Possible” which you might want to consider before deciding truth doesn’t matter anymore. It describes an explicit strategy by the Kremlin to poison the information landscape with lies, half truths, and conspiracies. And amplify conflicting narratives. Eventually people stop caring about what is true anymore.

Fuck the Kremlin. Corporate America calls the same damn thing marketing, advertising, sales, and public relations respectively.

Thank you.

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Post by ChoGGi »

Der_Einzige wrote: post #67
Herring wrote: post #59

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> the whole system If there were democrats on that list, they’d already be in jail.

THERE ARE! BILL CLINTON! NOAM CHOMSKY (if they'd acted faster they could have nabbed him before he died!) Democrats WANT to see the pedos in our party getting justice! We have no loyalty to our party. We are the party of purity testing and infighting. Anthony Weiner went down quickly. Cuomo went down quickly. Even folks who didn't deserve it like Al Franken go down quickly!

> NOAM CHOMSKY (if they'd acted faster they could have nabbed him before he died!)

He's still alive.

Re: Inside Epstein’s network: what 1.4M emails reveal

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Post by jrflowers »

RajT88 wrote: post #127
jrflowers wrote: post #53

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> (example: cannibalism) which people are now taking as the truth I haven’t seen any indication of “people that didn’t previously believe in cannibal elites now believe in cannibal elites after reading the emails” being a phenomenon that actually exists. I’ve yet to interact with anyone that has seriously said “I didn’t believe they ate babies on Tuesday but it is Thursday and now I believe they were eating babies.”…

If it helps explain where my comment was coming from, my friend I advised to take a break from the files was neck deep in every single new speculation because he himself was a survivor of CSA. He sent me a lot of stuff and was on the "believing in cannibal pedophiles" track for sure, and by the videos I was sent, lots of other people are on that track too. It was especially bad for his mental health, all of these new…

I don’t doubt that. I’ve read a lot of the emails, had to tap out myself, and seen a lot of people tap out as well. What I haven’t seen is some sort of contagion where the cannibalism stuff is all of a sudden being embraced by a new group of people. It’s pretty much just been people that have had the Clinton’s adrenochrome theories and blood libel etc. in the stuff they that they read for a while that are talking about it.

I’ll put it this way: if somebody believes that it is more likely that people were eating babies than the fact that it’s actually somewhat common to refrigerate beef jerky, it’s because they’ve already been primed to think that way; there are several leaps in belief that have to take place before that becomes an even acceptable notion to consider let alone something to earnestly take as gospel.

I’ve seen 20x more people have to stop after reading about Leon Black than the cannibalism/“he’s still alive” stuff (because there aren’t actually that many people that believe in cannibal elites, they’re just very vocal). Heck, I’ve seen quite a few more people have to step back after reading about Epstein funding the bitcoin devs than after reading the more kook stuff. If there’s any sort of general “hazard” in the emails it’s not the things that aren’t true, it’s the things that are.

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Post by nacozarina »

The most shocking reveal to me is that from 2002-2011 Prince Andrew worked a special trade envoy role for the UK, and was passing non-public trade info immediately to Epstein. Epstein, in turn, immediately leveraged it with JP Morgan, and they made fn billions.

Not just one treasonous man, not just a few rich perverts, the whole thing is a supranational criminal syndicate looting everything they aren’t raping.

The circle of dirt does extend very wide and the scoundrels really are worried prosecution of the guilty will collapse everything.

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Post by janalsncm »

salawat wrote: post #140
janalsncm wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is a book “Nothing Is True and Everything Is Possible” which you might want to consider before deciding truth doesn’t matter anymore. It describes an explicit strategy by the Kremlin to poison the information landscape with lies, half truths, and conspiracies. And amplify conflicting narratives. Eventually people stop caring about what is true anymore.

Fuck the Kremlin. Corporate America calls the same damn thing marketing, advertising, sales, and public relations respectively.

Kind of. Corporate propaganda (ads) are very much still in the old Bush-era paradigm of “repeating a lie until it becomes true”. Coke and Pepsi don’t want you to believe “nothing is true”. They want you to believe their cola is superior. Coke isn’t going to waste money creating confusion about that topic.

The Kremlin will amplify conflicting opinions. Even critics of the government. Later it will come out that those critics were sponsored by Putin, undermining any critics by association.

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Post by dang »

anechouapechou wrote: post #113
fromMars wrote: post #85

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You've broken the site guidelines extremely badly by attacking another commenter in this way, and your other flamewar posts in this thread are not good either. This is not the kind of discussion we want here, so please stop.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

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Post by janalsncm »

throw0101c wrote: post #110
janalsncm wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is a book “Nothing Is True and Everything Is Possible” which you might want to consider before deciding truth doesn’t matter anymore. It describes an explicit strategy by the Kremlin to poison the information landscape with lies, half truths, and conspiracies. And amplify conflicting narratives. Eventually people stop caring about what is true anymore.

> It describes an explicit strategy by the Kremlin to poison the information landscape with lies, half truths, and conspiracies. And amplify conflicting narratives. For someone who wants an intro to the subject, this 2016 paper by RAND is pretty good; 'The Russian "Firehose of Falsehood" Propaganda Model': > The experimental psychology literature suggests that, all other things being equal, messages received in great…

“Flood the zone” is the speech version of what the Kremlin does.

If it came out that some anti-Trump terrorists were actually backed by MAGA, it would be analogous to what the Kremlin does.

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Post by dang »

JMiao wrote: post #92
dang wrote: post #58

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Kudos for recovering this nicely. I've seen a number of HN threads lately where commenters regain their balance like this and respond in a thoroughly decent way. A new pattern? I wish! but it's probably just the clustering illusion... ( https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37303788 )

what about a new top nav category next to show? decency

It's a nice thought but I wouldn't want to embarrass people.

p.s. Hi! has been a while...

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