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Ring cancels its partnership with Flock Safety after surveillance backlash

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Re: Ring cancels its partnership with Flock Safety after surveillance backlash

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Post by kQq9oHeAz6wLLS »

ProllyInfamous wrote: post #19
ohyoutravel wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can you elaborate? This is interesting

I worked across several facilities and obviously cannot talk specifics about those. It is public knowledge that one of them housed a large metro area's main ISP "meet-me room." During Snowden revelations I'd already been apprenticing for years; nothing Edward documented surprised me . I'd literally walk around our 500,000sqft elevated floors knodding my head [none of this exists, officially] . ---- Nothing is as it s…

> PO Box in profile

Pretty sure government agencies will have no trouble finding you from that bit alone, and then tracking your movements is trivial. I mean, you have to show up and check the box periodically..

Re: Ring cancels its partnership with Flock Safety after surveillance backlash

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Post by digiown »

whatever1 wrote: post #80
alehlopeh wrote: post #61

A lot of you won’t want to hear it but HomeKit + iCloud secure video is the only way to go. For one thing it’s end to end encrypted. You can also do ML stuff like face recognition which happens locally on your Apple TV. And you can set it to trigger HomeKit scenes if eg the person in the video isn’t recognized, or if it recognizes a particular person. Yeah Apple bad, blah blah. But they don’t have an incentive to sel…

Unless you explicitly enable Advanced Protection mode for all your devices, Apple stores your key in their servers and will give it to whoever legitimate looking asks for it. Aka ICE etc will definitely be granted access.

I wouldn't trust E2EE implemented by an entity against itself that can also push arbitrary updates in principle. Also, any E2EE product that has a non-E2EE mode seems prone to accidental leaks.

Re: Ring cancels its partnership with Flock Safety after surveillance backlash

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Post by usea »

stalfosknight wrote: post #102
chmod775 wrote: post #92

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They're saying that because saying what they actually mean would paint flock in a negative light, which they likely want to avoid for various reasons.

So they'd rather lie in their press release.

Press releases are lies by default.

Re: Ring cancels its partnership with Flock Safety after surveillance backlash

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Post by digiown »

dakolli wrote: post #95

Doesn't matter, I've come to the conclusion I'll never buy into one these networks. There's a reason "security" cameras were always on "closed circuit", there's no need give these companies money.

Agreed. Doorbell is one thing, it terrifies me that people put these inside their homes. It's like 1984 but they're paying for it.

Re: Ring cancels its partnership with Flock Safety after surveillance backlash

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Post by SkyPuncher »

noduerme wrote: post #108
dakolli wrote: post #95

Doesn't matter, I've come to the conclusion I'll never buy into one these networks. There's a reason "security" cameras were always on "closed circuit", there's no need give these companies money.

I've had a couple Ring cams for years. I hate the network, hate having to pay for the cloud storage, I've just been too lazy to research self-hosted alternatives. Is there solution you'd recommend that's relatively polished and easy to use?

I just try to look for companies that are a bit smaller in the space. Some of these features only work when you have enough coverage. Small companies don't have that.

Re: Ring cancels its partnership with Flock Safety after surveillance backlash

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Post by pdonis »

jolux wrote: post #136
pdonis wrote: post #122

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So this link redirects to a page that wants me to either create an account, or log into one I already have, before it will tell me anything about this product. Sorry, no.

I think they just posted the link they log into. The site is ui.com or store.ui.com.

Thanks, that helps!

Re: Ring cancels its partnership with Flock Safety after surveillance backlash

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Post by mwillis »

camillomiller wrote: post #64
dylan604 wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Cloud connected doorbells must die as well as dragnet surveillance. I'd disagree and restate that cloud services willing to make these kinds of deals must die, painfully, in a fire after being stung by a million killer bees, after receiving a million paper cuts and having lemon juice poured all over them. It is possible for a company to charge a monthly fee to provide a service and only that service without attempt…

No it is not. Your mandate is to grow your company’s revenue and profits, not act according to your conscience as an executive, especially if something is not illegal. This is why regulations are extremely important. There need to be a strong enough counterincentive or companies will eventually always follow the path of least resistance to growth. Ethics when present may create some form of friction along some specif…

Why, in this given scenario, does the individual’s mandate to their company automatically trump the mandate given to them by an ethical society, or even their own moral code? Why is this position held up as infallible? The situation could easily be re-framed as “my corporate mandate is to grow revenue, but the larger mandate I have is to my own ethical truth.” Why are corporate desires allowed to get the “shrug, that’s just what I’m supposed to do” treatment?

If the answer is you lose your job and your means to provide for your family if you don’t put corporate desires first, then we’ve constructed the society we want already and no one should be complaining.

Re: Ring cancels its partnership with Flock Safety after surveillance backlash

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Post by __s »

olyjohn wrote: post #127
ryandrake wrote: post #117

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You really think someone would do that? Just write a press release and tell lies?

Yes?

ryandrake is making reference to arrhur internet lies meme

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=iHrZRJR4igQ

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