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Discord/Twitch/Snapchat age verification bypass

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Re: Discord/Twitch/Snapchat age verification bypass

#141

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The concept of identity doesn't necessarily have to be embodied by a piece of physical plastic that goes into a wallet. Ad-hoc identification can occur via other means like dynamic knowledge based authentication. The sources of this mechanism can be literally anything. Social media itself being one obvious source for the target cohort. You can walk into many US financial institutions without an ID and still get reall…

Knowledge-based authentication is a joke - it doesn't work at all. This basically only gets used for businesses that need a fig leaf for regulatory purposes. You know, $30 loans for uber eats and tiny loans like that.

Unix and Windows and MacOS and every computer since 1970 has relied on knowledge-based authentication, so let's cool the hyperbole.

In the nomenclature of Multi-Factor Authentication, "something you know" is one factor. So if you know a password and you have a hardware token, that's 2 factors and combining different types is the key to MFA.

Many "knowledge based authentication" tries to string together "things you know" without a different type, and that's a weakness.

However, it can be strengthened through various techniques. If a human is authenticating you in real-time, they may choose a factoid that an impostor is unlikely to know which may be agreed in advance. For example, the security questions combined with other challenges, or a "curve ball" that may elicit a stutter, pause, or prevarication. This is a dynamic method that bob refers to.

In fact, knowledge-based quizzes are used routinely by credit reporting agencies -- the big ones like Experian. And they've been presented by background check services, too. They work like this: they scrape your credit reports and public records in a deep dive for your old addresses, employers, contact info, a whole smorgasbord of stuff. Maybe attackers know some of it. But it's multiple choice: "which of these did you live at? None of the above? All of them?" "Which one of these wasn't your employer?" And the attacker would need to have the same list of public records, and also know the wrong answers! Knowing the wrong answers is the "curve ball" here! How many attackers know that I didn't work for Acme, Inc, and I never lived in San Antonio?

It's also worth pointing out that I've opened at least 3 bank accounts without setting foot in a bank. Even if yours is brick-and-mortar, they probably have a flow on their website for account creation and funding. It is not difficult to satisfy their ID requirements. If they glitch, then you're just flagged a bit, and you follow up as instructed. I've also authenticated identity to the federal government agencies, and accessed several DMV services, using only the apps and websites.

People may feel reticent about establishing their identity online, but isn't it better that you do it first before someone else does? If your identity is known and registered and builds up data points that correspond to you, aren't you less likely to be a victim of fraud or identity theft when things don't add up?

Re: Discord/Twitch/Snapchat age verification bypass

#142

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That the camera is real doesn't imply the thing it's viewing is real.

As I understand it, 'Windows Hello' requires a near-IR image alongside the RGB image. It's not the fancy structured light of phone-style Face ID, but it still protects against the more common ways of fooling biometrics, like holding up a photo or wearing a simple paper mask.

Fair enough. That removes the virtual option, and you'll be forced to point the camera at your older brother.

Re: Discord/Twitch/Snapchat age verification bypass

#143

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> I really don’t think any platform will be able to counter this. Do platforms want to counter it? Seems to me with an unreliable video selfie age verification: * Reasonable people with common sense don't need to upload scans of their driving licenses and passports * The platform gets to retain users without too much hassle * Porn site users are forced to create accounts; this enables tracking, boosting ad revenue an…

Until somebody (likely a politician or anti-porn advocacy group) decides to poke the bear and ruin it

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Re: Discord/Twitch/Snapchat age verification bypass

#144

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> I really don’t think any platform will be able to counter this. Do platforms want to counter it? Seems to me with an unreliable video selfie age verification: * Reasonable people with common sense don't need to upload scans of their driving licenses and passports * The platform gets to retain users without too much hassle * Porn site users are forced to create accounts; this enables tracking, boosting ad revenue an…

Until somebody (likely a politician or anti-porn advocacy group) decides to poke the bear and ruin it

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Re: Discord/Twitch/Snapchat age verification bypass

#145

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I really don’t think any platform will be able to counter this. Do platforms want to counter it? Seems to me with an unreliable video selfie age verification: * Reasonable people with common sense don't need to upload scans of their driving licenses and passports * The platform gets to retain users without too much hassle * Porn site users are forced to create accounts; this enables tracking, boosting ad revenue an…

Until somebody (likely a politician or anti-porn advocacy group) decides to poke the bear and ruin it

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Re: Discord/Twitch/Snapchat age verification bypass

#147
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*Citation needed > Nearly 21 million voting-age U.S. citizens do not have a current (non-expired) driver’s license. Just under 9%, or 20.76 million people, who are U.S. citizens aged 18 or older do not have a non-expired driver’s license. Another 12% (28.6 million) have a non- expired license, but it does not have both their current address and current name. For these individuals, a mismatched address is the largest…

That seems like a good citation, but it supports the 99% number above > Additionally, just over 1% of adult U.S. citizens do not have any form of government-issued photo identification, which amounts to nearly 2.6 million people. The rest of the statistic is about driver's licenses specifically, including technicalities like expiration dates and address changes. The online ID check for age verification don't care abo…

My driver's license was expired for 8 years until last year. I wasn't driving so the pressure to renew it was very low.

I actually only renewed it to get medical care and because renewing the license was only a little more expensive than getting an ID-only card.

It did prevent me from using some porn sites because my state requires ID verification but many sites just ignore the requirement so I just didn't use the sites that required ID.

Re: Discord/Twitch/Snapchat age verification bypass

#148

Is this not easily patched by the provider encrypting and signing the whole payload? I would have thought that would be table stakes for an identity provider.

The identity provider is on-device and has to run on phones which don't do hardware attestation.

That’s only for selfies. If they use and id I’m pretty sure it is getting sent to a k-id server.

Re: Discord/Twitch/Snapchat age verification bypass

#149

I don't understand why (mostly) young people put so much effort into remaining customers of a service that is actively hostile against them and that they do not like. Does the convenience of remaining on a service you don't like the management of outweigh the mild effort to find an alternative solution?

Why do middle aged people still use Facebook marketplace rather than another platform? Because even if you put in the effort to use something different, you’ll be the only one there. The effort to coordinate everyone to move at the same time is bordering on impossible.

  > Facebook marketplace rather than another platform
which? I'd love to, but FB marketplace is the platform.

Re: Discord/Twitch/Snapchat age verification bypass

#150
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The real and robust method will be generating artificial video input instead of the real webcam. I really don’t think any platform will be able to counter this. If they start requiring to use a phone with harder to spoof camera input, you will simply be able to put the camera in front of a high resolution screen. The cat and mouse game will not last long.

There is an easy solution to this - require a government ID, and only permit government IDs that can be verified with the state's government.

There are a lot of countries and US states where such validation is possible.

Given the state is mandating these checks, it only makes sense that the state should be responsible for making it possible to perform these checks.

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