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Amazon Ring's lost dog ad sparks backlash amid fears of mass surveillance

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Re: Amazon Ring's lost dog ad sparks backlash amid fears of mass surveillance

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> Surveillance is desired by the politically and economically powerful It's also desired by consumers. Parents love tracking their children, spouses track each other. Everyone wants to get a camera to catch porch pirates. Let's not pretend this is something being forced on us by some external evil. The evil is coming from inside the house.

this is entirely misses the point about exactly what makes it dangerous there's nothing bad with having a camera to spot porch pirates, as long as the data stays private it becomes problematic when everyone's hooked up to one central place (plus the "AI") same as the common talking points about CCTV, which always miss the distinction that there's minimal risk if it's only going to some video recorder in the back of t…

> there's nothing bad with having a camera to spot porch pirates, as long as the data stays private

It's still surveillance, and it's subject to subpoena so it can become government data as needed. The centralization makes things worse, sure, but the desire to monitor others often comes from individual actors.

I can walk down my street and I will be recorded every step of the way by someone. The government didn't mandate this, each homeowner decided they "needed" a camera.

Re: Amazon Ring's lost dog ad sparks backlash amid fears of mass surveillance

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I knew plenty of people growing up who thought Fight Club was just a fun movie about guys who like to fight and make a club to do so and it gets a little crazy, then cut to credits. They then theorized making their own such club. This to say, yeah, I think sometimes the audience can be overestimated in their ability to understand deeper meaning in art.

It's said that Starship Troopers failed to do as well in USA because people thought it was pro-fascist propaganda ... it doesn't seem possible that could genuinely be the case.

Starship Troopers (the movie) is a terrible example of satire because it fails to show anything substantially bad. When you present a society that's more ethical than real life, nobody's going to care if some people wear uniforms that look a bit like Nazi uniforms.

There is a genuine existential risk, and it's addressed in the best way possible. Military slavery ("conscription") is more evil than disenfranchisement, especially when citizenship is not required to live a good life. Nobody is tricked or coerced into signing up for military service. Potential recruits are even shown disabled veterans to make the risk more salient. There are no signs of racism or sexism.

Other objections are not supported by the film. There is no suggestion that the Buenos Aires attack is a false flag. I've seen people claim it's impossible for the bugs to do this, but it's a film featuring faster-than-light travel. The humans are already doing impossible things, so why can't the bugs? I've also heard complaints that there is no attempt at peace negotiations. There is no suggestion that peace is possible. It's possible among humans because most humans have a strong natural aversion to killing other humans. Real life armed forces have to go to great lengths to desensitize their troops to killing to prevent them from intentionally missing. But humans generally have no qualms about killing bugs, and the bugs in the movie never hesitate to kill humans.

The movie is an inspiring story about people making the right choices in a difficult situation. Some people look at it objectively, and some only react to the aesthetics. Those who look objectively understand it's actually faithful to the spirit of the book despite Verhoeven not intending that.

Re: Amazon Ring's lost dog ad sparks backlash amid fears of mass surveillance

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Lmao did they really say it's null-key encrypted? Unfortunately a very realistic depiction of how many of the brands advertising their security the strongest often have the most ridiculously broken security (flock)

The Nolan Batman movies are absolutely risible in retrospect. It's hard to believe how seriously everyone took them back then.

They’re good entertainment, not a documentary haha

Re: Amazon Ring's lost dog ad sparks backlash amid fears of mass surveillance

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Just airtag your dog? Jesus Christ.

Quoting from the press release: https://www.apple.com/newsroom/2026/01/apple-introduces-new-... "Designed exclusively for tracking objects, and not people or pets " (emphasis mine)

That’s just so you don’t sue the over your lost dog

Re: Amazon Ring's lost dog ad sparks backlash amid fears of mass surveillance

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Lmao did they really say it's null-key encrypted? Unfortunately a very realistic depiction of how many of the brands advertising their security the strongest often have the most ridiculously broken security (flock)

Lmao did they really say it's null-key encrypted? You know movies aren't real life, don't you?

Wait until he sees the main character is a super hero

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Lmao did they really say it's null-key encrypted? Unfortunately a very realistic depiction of how many of the brands advertising their security the strongest often have the most ridiculously broken security (flock)

They should have used base64 encryption.

How about ROT13? Ideally applied twice for twice the encryption.

Re: Amazon Ring's lost dog ad sparks backlash amid fears of mass surveillance

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There would be less backlash to the Ring ad if the ad was honest about how people actually use it. Show us porch pirates, burglars and stupid neighbor who backs into your car being caught on camera. But instead, they have to come up with something "wholesome" like finding your lost doggo. The wholesomeness is so forced and cringe that it makes you think they have something to hide. It almost feels like the people who…

The infrastructure is still there. It's the infrastructure that's the problem, the marketing is kind of whatever...

Ring has been a problem and it has only gotten worse now.

Re: Amazon Ring's lost dog ad sparks backlash amid fears of mass surveillance

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Lmao did they really say it's null-key encrypted? Unfortunately a very realistic depiction of how many of the brands advertising their security the strongest often have the most ridiculously broken security (flock)

The Nolan Batman movies are absolutely risible in retrospect. It's hard to believe how seriously everyone took them back then.

Not a single person in the world took any of them "seriously."

They're blockbuster movies about a comic book.

Re: Amazon Ring's lost dog ad sparks backlash amid fears of mass surveillance

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It's said that Starship Troopers failed to do as well in USA because people thought it was pro-fascist propaganda ... it doesn't seem possible that could genuinely be the case.

Starship Troopers (the movie) is a terrible example of satire because it fails to show anything substantially bad. When you present a society that's more ethical than real life, nobody's going to care if some people wear uniforms that look a bit like Nazi uniforms. There is a genuine existential risk, and it's addressed in the best way possible. Military slavery ("conscription") is more evil than disenfranchisement,…

The only hung I see about the asteroid was that Carmen’s collision (caused by her showing off) knocked the rock which caused it to hit Earth, where originally it may well have missed.

Seems reasonable (although clearly not the intent of the story and not a deliberate “false flag”)

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