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Google Fulfilled ICE Subpoena Demanding Student Journalist Credit Card Number

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Post by cvhc »

edm0nd wrote: post #126
cvhc wrote: post #105

Google discloses stats about government requests via FISA / National Security Letters: https://transparencyreport.google.com/user-data/us-national-... I was in one of these published NSLs issued by FBI a few years ago. I was notified by Google after the nondisclosure period.

What did you get the NSL for? Did it result in you being raided? Were you ever indicted or convicted of anything?

I dunno. Maybe because I used to do research at a Chinese lab when I was a student? That was my impression when I was once questioned for many hours by DHS at the airport. It's impossible to get an answer. They are granted broad legal authority to screen foreign nationals.

No indictment. Nothing physical. But a lot of headaches like delays in visa/immigrant application :shrug:

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Post by jajuuka »

lingrush4 wrote: post #50

Google ought to rethink its policy of disclosing government subpoenas to users. Every time this happens, the media uses it to attack Google. They'd be better off leaving users in the dark about these legally required data disclosures. Even if most users don't go crying to the media when it happens, it's still not worth it.

Ultimately it's better for the public and users to be informed about this occurring though. If Google wanted to they could salvage it and explain their legal duties and how that applies to these situations. I don't think Google is worried though. They have multiple captive markets and have seen continued growth so it's obviously not affecting the bottom line.

It's a good contrast to Apple where any bit of bad news that makes headlines becomes priority one to fix. Which just creates a privileged class of users and makes the brand look fragile.

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Post by bobmcnamara »

Curiositiy wrote: post #134
shevy-java wrote: post #110

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't see how what has been described here as "the system works as intended". A free state should not be able to sniff after people for made up reasons.

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Post by bobmcnamara »

linkregister wrote: post #64
legitster wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For a normal subpoena from a court, yes. For an "administrative" subpoena from an agency, they take a risk in court. Judicial review is deferred . If Google thinks the subpoena is egregious, they can go to court and argue. But in the meantime they can either carry it out or risk being held in contempt if they don't and lose in court.

According to this article, it is treated as a request and often denied by the company. The target of the warrant did go to court to quash it, but that was already after Google declined to share the information. https://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/2026/02/03/hom... edit: it appears that either 1. the Washington Post is printing misinformation, or 2. I have made a grave misinterpretation.

I mean, it is BezPost.

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Post by hsuduebc2 »

bovermyer wrote: post #61
hsuduebc2 wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I would say that it's just ordinary greed driven company. Which is basically normal corporation. Why net negative tho?

The "net" refers here to "the good that Google does" (e.g., some pretty impressive networking research) is outweighed by "the bad that Google does," such as the linked article. Nothing is pure evil or pure good. Gauging where on the scale a person or group lies is really hard, and subjective. So, I try and keep score on the big players, but understand that my judgement is fallible.

Oh I understand what you meant by net negative, I was more curious about the thing's you perceive negatively. I myself consider them net neutral but the trend itself is negative.

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Post by cvhc »

garyfirestorm wrote: post #118
cvhc wrote: post #105

Google discloses stats about government requests via FISA / National Security Letters: https://transparencyreport.google.com/user-data/us-national-... I was in one of these published NSLs issued by FBI a few years ago. I was notified by Google after the nondisclosure period.

care to explain how you got added to it? what happened then? did you fight it?

See the other comment.

> did you fight it?

I talked to university lawyers (and LLMs) regarding another issue with DHS. For the sake of national security, they have the legal authority. There isn't much I can do. Unless I can prove they discriminated against me due to my race, national origin, etc. -- which may be the case but how can I prove that. I requested FOIA from DOS/DHS. What I got was basically no more than the original applications I submitted.

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Post by themaninthedark »

ses1984 wrote: post #124
themaninthedark wrote: post #115

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No. Full stop. Laws are supposed to be crafted to be as applied by anyone, anywhere and at any time. This is why lawyers and politicians are supposed to have foresight and be prudent. You look at prior events and see them as justified due to the people involved and situations. If the US government can, for example investigate Richard Spencer or some other extremist figure based on a web post, then they can do the sam…

From my point of view it looks like the right only protests when it’s not their side. That’s why Al franken resigned for a dumb photo, meanwhile republicans protect pedophile traffickers.

I would say that both sides have that view.

Most people are in a bubble and are unaware of what their tribe is doing.

I may be wrong but I think there have been Republicans who have resigned for extra-marital sex.

While we are screaming about the current POTS and his relation with Jeffery, we gave Bill Clinton a platform to speak during the 2024 Convention. When I bring that up, I get told "It's important that we beat Trump."

The Epstein was arrested in 2019, the files have been in the hands of both Democrats and Republicans. Neither group really looks like they want to prosecute anyone further; only use accusations that their opponents are in there to galvanize their base.

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Post by jeffbee »

hsuduebc2 wrote: post #8

Just out of curiosity. Are there any companies today that are seen the way Google used to be seen, as a generally “good” corporation/companies that are also a important player? Maybe Mozilla Foundation?

There are exactly zero organizations that will refuse to comply with subpoenas and warrants. It isn't up to business to fix the national government.
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