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Re: ICE seeks industry input on ad tech location data for investigative use

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Post by tosapple »

fauchletenerum wrote: post #64
stephantul wrote: post #20

This has bean a long time coming. This is a stark reminder that you should consider who the future stewards of whatever you are building might be. We built a vast surveillance network under the guise of servings ads and making money, and lost track of how this power could be abused by an entity not aligned with our own values.

From day one everyone who worked on these ad-tech surveillance systems knew they had the capability for abuse. They were built to come as close as possible to the legal limits of surveillance and in several notable cases crossed that line. This isn't a surprise to anyone

The way I understand it, which may be dated: is that if it's automated or robotic it doesn't qualify as an "unreasonable search or seizure".

Re: ICE seeks industry input on ad tech location data for investigative use

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Post by jacquesm »

deaux wrote: post #46
badbird3 wrote: post #14

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Quite the high horse you got there

Hey there, I quit a job over similar concerns, knowing it would lead to a >70% decrease in comp. Without a significant nest egg or wealth, whether personal or through family. Now let me say the same: But those tools buy Teslas and $8 donuts and cardboard apartments in trendy neighborhoods for people too young to understand how money works. There, now there's no longer a high horse concern.

Thank you!

It takes real courage and it costs to have principles. And just like I detest those that fall for the money I have insane respect for those that stand up.

Re: ICE seeks industry input on ad tech location data for investigative use

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mmoustafa wrote: post #79

Why do all the discussion posts about ICE’s biometric app get taken down? Although they may invite politicing, they are very relevant to HN. e.g [flagged] Target director's Global Entry was revoked after ICE used app to scan her face [ https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46833871 ]

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Re: ICE seeks industry input on ad tech location data for investigative use

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Post by jacquesm »

riazrizvi wrote: post #87
trhway wrote: post #57

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ICE doesn't follow the law. It breaks it. Its main mode of operation is fish-net-style catching brown people on the streets and making them sign voluntary deportation. That allows to bypass any court orders and any requirements of the law (like hearing, lawyer, etc). Edit: to the commenter below: >I care because my children are approaching the workforce and I want their opportunities to open up to them do you really…

I'm a brown immigrant, the process to get into the US legally was long. I trust US institutions to have good intent, but like all institutions they fail at times. The mandate is to remove 25 million illegal migrants. I reject the hostile posture that people are taking based on negatively biased information, which in my view, further reassures me they are acting in Americans' best interest. I care because my children…

Do you honestly believe that when they're done with the illegal immigrants they're not going to come for the 'brown people in general'?

Re: ICE seeks industry input on ad tech location data for investigative use

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Post by somenameforme »

mmoustafa wrote: post #79

Why do all the discussion posts about ICE’s biometric app get taken down? Although they may invite politicing, they are very relevant to HN. e.g [flagged] Target director's Global Entry was revoked after ICE used app to scan her face [ https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46833871 ]

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Re: ICE seeks industry input on ad tech location data for investigative use

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Post by RGamma »

surgical_fire wrote: post #119
RGamma wrote: post #95

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Dilapidating the world for an easy buck is gonna bite you and/or your kids eventually. We have reached technological sophistication where certain kinds of mistakes are not allowed if civilization as we know it is to survive.

When the bank reposseses the house because you are not paying the mortgage, this will bite you and your kids too. You can call it an "easy buck", and it is just coping. An easy way to make some poor schlemiel creating a miserable report with user location data during his sprint into a greedy bastard that is just enriching his bank account out of the suffering of plenty.

Atomization enables this. Any number of individuals are individually weak against their employer/some org, but a big group of them can be quite powerful.

If many were to sacrifice their morals out of financial pressure easily (the control over which is in increasingly few hands) the path the US is treading becomes pretty deterministic... We've seen it in the movies and read it in the books.

You guys seem to need collective action and civil disobedience.

Then again.. maybe the will for collective action comes only after the repossessions...

Re: ICE seeks industry input on ad tech location data for investigative use

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Post by jacquesm »

intermerda wrote: post #51
riazrizvi wrote: post #47

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What an incredibly shitty comment which is wrong on so many levels. You are the type of person who believes that Oskar Schindler should have been shot to death for breaking the "law" rather than being celebrated.

I'll be happy to bet he has no idea who that is and why supporting the Nazi's as long as they're doing your bidding is a bad idea.

Re: ICE seeks industry input on ad tech location data for investigative use

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Post by duk3luk3 »

xp84 wrote: post #125
Paracompact wrote: post #107

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Some people have absolutist takes on these sorts of things. If the stated purpose makes sense ("stop illegal immigration"), they will dismiss tragedies as routine accidents of an imperfect world. If they have no sense of when exceptions become intolerable and course-correction becomes necessary, then by definition, no amount of evidence will change their mind.

What if we believe that those shootings are completely unacceptable (probably criminal), but that “have no immigration enforcement and permanently halt deportations” is also unacceptable? The latter seems to be the solution being pushed by one party. Like always, the left’s problem is that their proposed solutions read like they were written by teenagers, based on emotions and dismissive of the reasons why their supp…

You are completely out of touch with what the immigration policy of the last democratic government (Biden 2020) was.

It was aggressive, it was inhumane, and immigrants were killed despite a massive effort by people from "the left" to feed and clothe people who were detained in open fields or between two border fences without any care being provided by the US agencies detaining them.

Maybe you are right that nobody who is right-leaning trusts that the US democratic party isn't pro border enforcement and anti immigration, but that's based purely on lies and propaganda.

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