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Re: Qwen3-Coder-Next

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Post by segmondy »

giancarlostoro wrote: post #63
cedws wrote: post #41

I kind of lost interest in local models. Then Anthropic started saying I’m not allowed to use my Claude Code subscription with my preferred tools and it reminded me why we need to support open tools and models. I’ve cancelled my CC subscription, I’m not paying to support anticompetitive behaviour.

I do wonder if they locked things down due to people abusing their CC token.

Nah, their "moat" is CC, they are afraid that as other folks build effective coding agent, they are are going lose market share.

Re: Qwen3-Coder-Next

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Post by stevejb »

cedws wrote: post #135
stevejb wrote: post #133

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Is this still the case? Is Anthropic still not allowing access to OpenCode?

Officially, it's against TOS. I'm told you can still make it work by adding this to ~/.config/opencode/opencode.json but it risks a ban and you definitely shouldn't do it. { "plugin": [ "opencode-anthropic-auth@latest" ] }

Ah interesting. I have been using OpenCode more and more and I prefer it to Claude Code. I use OpenCode with Sonnet and/or Opus (among other models) with Bedrock, but paying metered rates for Opus is a way to go bankrupt fast!

Re: Qwen3-Coder-Next

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Post by moffkalast »

theshrike79 wrote: post #33
cirrusfan wrote: post #28

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If it sounds too good to be true…

Should be possible with optimised models, just drop all "generic" stuff and focus on coding performance. There's no reason for a coding model to contain all of ao3 and wikipedia =)

That's what Meta thought initially too, training codellama and chat llama separately, and then they realized they're idiots and that adding the other half of data vastly improves both models. As long as it's quality data, more of it doesn't do harm.

Besides, programming is far from just knowing how to autocomplete syntax, you need a model that's proficient in the fields that the automation is placed in, otherwise they'll be no help in actually automating it.

Re: Qwen3-Coder-Next

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Post by aljgz »

cedws wrote: post #41

I kind of lost interest in local models. Then Anthropic started saying I’m not allowed to use my Claude Code subscription with my preferred tools and it reminded me why we need to support open tools and models. I’ve cancelled my CC subscription, I’m not paying to support anticompetitive behaviour.

You gave up some convenience to avoid voting for a bad practice with your wallet. I admire this, try to consistently do this when reasonably feasible.

Problem is, most people don't do this, choosing convenience at any given moment without thinking about longer-term impact. This hurts us collectively by letting governments/companies, etc tighten their grip over time. This comes from my lived experience.

Re: Qwen3-Coder-Next

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Post by jstummbillig »

tclancy wrote: post #122
jstummbillig wrote: post #117

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> I’m not paying to support anticompetitive behaviour You are doing that all the time. You just draw the line, arbitrarily.

The enemy of done is perfect, etc. what is the point of comments like this?

What is the point of any of this? To exchange how we think about things. I think virtue signaling is boring and uncandid.

Re: Qwen3-Coder-Next

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Post by s5fs »

bri3d wrote: post #86
CamperBob2 wrote: post #81

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How do I "abuse" a token? I pass it to their API, the request executes, a response is returned, I get billed for it. That should be the end of the conversation. (Edit due to rate-limiting: I see, thanks -- I wasn't aware there was more than one token type.)

You can buy this product, right here: https://platform.claude.com/docs/en/about-claude/pricing That's not the product you buy when you a Claude Code token, though.

Claude Code supports using API credits, and you can turn on Extra Usage and use API credits automatically once your session limit is reached.

This confused me for a while, having two separate "products" which are sold differently, but can be used by the same tool.

Re: Qwen3-Coder-Next

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Post by Tossrock »

bri3d wrote: post #113
Nemi wrote: post #94

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> The subscription services have assumptions baked in about the usage patterns; they're oversubscribed and subsidized. Selling dollars for $.50 does that. It sounds like they have a business model issue to me.

This is how every cloud service and every internet provider works. If you want to get really edgy you could also say it's how modern banking works. Without knowing the numbers it's hard to tell if the business model for these AI providers actually works, and I suspect it probably doesn't at the moment, but selling an oversubscribed product with baked in usage assumptions is a functional business model in a lot of spa…

Don't forget gyms and other physical-space subscriptions. It's right up there with razor-and-blades for bog standard business models. Imagine if you got a gym membership and then were surprised when they cancelled your account for reselling gym access to your friends.

Re: Qwen3-Coder-Next

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Post by noveltyaccount »

regularfry wrote: post #101
noveltyaccount wrote: post #67

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I think I like coding models that know a lot about the world. They can disambiguate my requirements and build better products.

I generally prefer a coding model that can google for the docs, but separate models for /plan and /build is also a thing.

> separate models for /plan and /build

I had not considered that, seems like a great solution for local models that may be more resource-constrained.

Re: Qwen3-Coder-Next

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Post by jstummbillig »

theshrike79 wrote: post #33
cirrusfan wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If it sounds too good to be true…

Should be possible with optimised models, just drop all "generic" stuff and focus on coding performance. There's no reason for a coding model to contain all of ao3 and wikipedia =)

There is: It works (even if we can't explain why right now).

If we knew how to create a SOTA coding model by just putting coding stuff in there, that is how we would build SOTA coding models.

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