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Court orders restart of all US offshore wind power construction

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Re: Court orders restart of all US offshore wind power construction

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Post by estearum »

PaulHoule wrote: post #129
bmitc wrote: post #106

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The sad truth is that it's millions of people. These people just want to see the world burn due to nothing but narcissism and hate of the imaginary "other side".

There are a lot of people on "both sides" who choose their positions on the issues to fit their political party as opposed to choose the party that fits their positions. Particularly for an issue like offshore wind or Keystone XL that is basically "out of sight and out of mind" there are millions of people who would change their position if the right people told them to.

99% of every person's beliefs are driven by what "the right people told them," of course.

That's not really the point nor the problem, because some people choose to listen to very stupid or malicious people and others are (by chance or by skill) more susceptible to being steered by more credible people.

Half the country is in thrall with a uniquely malicious and moronic force, and the other half is vaguely in alignment with the vague directional gestures of expert consensus (even though it's sometimes wrong!). These are not at all the same, even if they both are technically "believing what people told them to."

Re: Court orders restart of all US offshore wind power construction

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Post by triceratops »

monero-xmr wrote: post #65
bronson wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Neither is petroleum, nuclear, or the highway system. What's your point?

Wind is the worst of all, otherwise the UK would have the cheapest energy in the West, instead of the highest

Or maybe if not for wind their electricity would be even more expensive.

See? Anyone can make kill-shot arguments when there's no data.

Re: Court orders restart of all US offshore wind power construction

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Post by estearum »

prawn wrote: post #95
amanaplanacanal wrote: post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

States run the elections.

The US president just today said that Republicans should "nationalize the voting" in future elections.

Well that's nice (i.e. an impeachable, despicable offense), but it doesn't actually change how elections are run.

Re: Court orders restart of all US offshore wind power construction

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Post by estearum »

rootusrootus wrote: post #119
shagie wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> maybe Tim Walz https://www.uppermichiganssource.com/2026/01/29/tim-walz-say... > MINNEAPOLIS (Gray News) - Minnesota Gov. Tim Walz said he will not run for elected office again. > Walz touched on his political plans in a recent interview with cable news channel MS Now. > “I will never run for an elected office again,” Walz said. “Never again.” > The 2024 Democratic vice-presidential nominee said he plans to “do the…

I would guess that many politicians (of both sides, see also MTG) suddenly start to rethink how bad they want the public job when Trump turns the firehose of death threats their direction.

Classic third world dictator shit

Re: Court orders restart of all US offshore wind power construction

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Post by CrossVR »

jfengel wrote: post #139
PaulHoule wrote: post #129

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are a lot of people on "both sides" who choose their positions on the issues to fit their political party as opposed to choose the party that fits their positions. Particularly for an issue like offshore wind or Keystone XL that is basically "out of sight and out of mind" there are millions of people who would change their position if the right people told them to.

That's how parties work, of necessity. They are all uneasy alliances of people who can barely tolerate each other. People find the one that supports their most important issues and hopefully few things they really detest. Then they have to pay at least lip service to all of it. By getting everyone else's support, at least one or two of your favorite issues get worked on. In doing so you need to find a way to live wit…

> That's how two party systems work

Fixed that for you.

There are democracies with proportional representation out there. Those have their own problems in forming coalitions, but the parties themselves are much closer aligned with their base.

Re: Court orders restart of all US offshore wind power construction

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Post by pwarner »

igorramazanov wrote: post #136

If a country changes course every four years, how can the success of a long-term project be ensured? And what of its negotiating credibility? How can the other side trust that an agreement will hold in the future? This is not a critique, but a genuine curiosity, because there's an obvious drawback with a system with opposing world views. Unless, of course, something still unites them in the first place, with acceptab…

I'm not advocating their system, but here's one pro for China obviously.

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Post by SpicyLemonZest »

igorramazanov wrote: post #136

If a country changes course every four years, how can the success of a long-term project be ensured? And what of its negotiating credibility? How can the other side trust that an agreement will hold in the future? This is not a critique, but a genuine curiosity, because there's an obvious drawback with a system with opposing world views. Unless, of course, something still unites them in the first place, with acceptab…

I'm not sure I follow the questions. The success of a long-term project can be ensured through the procedures described in the source article: you set up a durable judicial system, and invest them with the power to require that the country uphold its end of the bargain, no matter how much its current political leaders might want to change course.

Re: Court orders restart of all US offshore wind power construction

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Post by alextheparrot »

igorramazanov wrote: post #136

If a country changes course every four years, how can the success of a long-term project be ensured? And what of its negotiating credibility? How can the other side trust that an agreement will hold in the future? This is not a critique, but a genuine curiosity, because there's an obvious drawback with a system with opposing world views. Unless, of course, something still unites them in the first place, with acceptab…

I mean, you could also frame this as an issue the electorate could actually prioritize instead of just hoping the courts work it out

Re: Court orders restart of all US offshore wind power construction

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Post by zobzu »

softwaredoug wrote: post #12

If these projects ultimately end up canceled they’ll be the largest “mostly done” infrastructure projects to be cancelled. A huge waste. And a monument to US incompetency.

have you met the california high speed rail or not yet?
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