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Microsoft is walking back Windows 11's AI overload

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Re: Microsoft is walking back Windows 11's AI overload

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Post by baal80spam »

stego-tech wrote: post #66

Too little, too late, and too specific in scope. Windows 11 is awful not merely because of the AI bullshit being shoehorned into everything, everywhere (CoPilot in Notepad? In Paint ? Are you serious , Microsoft?!), but also because of all the other completely unnecessary changes made to the OS. A curated selection of real-world examples from my recent gig making a hardened Windows 11 image for a physical product lin…

It's like this _offline_ OS is now somehow doing things in async mode and sometimes they just don't work. That's how it feels.

Re: Microsoft is walking back Windows 11's AI overload

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Post by hulitu »

Shank wrote: post #2

> It appears this moment of pushback has resonated with internal teams: According to people familiar with Microsoft’s plans, the company is now reevaluating its AI strategy on Windows 11 and plans changes to streamline or even remove certain AI features where they don’t make sense. Obviously this is a complete failure of governance. The very first thing they should have considered was whether or not these features ma…

> The question ... should ask themselves is why they built them in the first place, and how they will prevent this from happening again.

We never, ever, learn from "lessons learned". They are there, just as a generic way, to tell other teams, that there might be some issues.

I deleted "Microsoft" from the quote because this, unfortunately, applies to a lot of companies.

Re: Microsoft is walking back Windows 11's AI overload

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Post by ReptileMan »

After relentless pressure from Microsoft finally switched to Linux. I won't say it is smooth sail - but it respects your time and PC resources. Which Windows does not. Windows has had abhorrently slow Explorer, File Search and almost any end user interaction for couple of years now. And is so full of crap that can't be disabled or even don't know what it is doing.

Re: Microsoft is walking back Windows 11's AI overload

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Post by layer8 »

joe_mamba wrote: post #86
Sharlin wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Unlike IE, the NT kernel was never bad and is still (presumably) in a pretty good shape. It's the userland that's gone insane. Someone should just port the Windows 7 shell to the newest kernel and call it a day.

>Ever since they got the delicious taste of white-labelling chromium instead of fixing ie What exactly was wrong with Edge Legacy(not IE) based on their own engine that they need to fix, and why was Chromium a sweet taste? AFAIk Edge Legacy was kicking ass in all benchmarks. Their only achilles heel was Google messing up Youtube and G-apps to break they way they got displayed on Edge LEgacy forcing users to switch to…

Edge Legacy was always playing catch-up trying to be sufficiently compatible with Chrome.

And personally, I preferred the native IE UI over the Chrome-lookalike Edge UI.

I’d still have liked for Microsoft to keep maintaining their own engine, but I can understand why they didn’t.

Re: Microsoft is walking back Windows 11's AI overload

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Post by random2021 »

pixelpoet wrote: post #17
Shank wrote: post #2

> It appears this moment of pushback has resonated with internal teams: According to people familiar with Microsoft’s plans, the company is now reevaluating its AI strategy on Windows 11 and plans changes to streamline or even remove certain AI features where they don’t make sense. Obviously this is a complete failure of governance. The very first thing they should have considered was whether or not these features ma…

> The question Microsoft should ask themselves is why they built them in the first place It seems like everyone except MS themselves knows why: they got tunnel vision from Azure and AI, and completely forgot about what actually made them successful. Hell they even burnt down one of the most famous brands in the world, MS Office, for zero reason other than to try and whitewash their Copilot name. The marketing guys wh…

> The marketing guys who made that decision urgently need to find another line of work, because literally a Labrador licking his

They already made money.

They know what works to make money by convincing CEO VP PM devs. I do hope they jump to the next company (please meta or apple) and do their duties.

Re: Microsoft is walking back Windows 11's AI overload

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Post by hulitu »

raffael_de wrote: post #137
pixelpoet wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The question Microsoft should ask themselves is why they built them in the first place It seems like everyone except MS themselves knows why: they got tunnel vision from Azure and AI, and completely forgot about what actually made them successful. Hell they even burnt down one of the most famous brands in the world, MS Office, for zero reason other than to try and whitewash their Copilot name. The marketing guys wh…

> because literally a Labrador licking his balls all day would have resulted in a better outcome. Where I come from we prefer monkeys throwing darts.

Microsoft ? Google ? Monkeys are suppose to be more intelligent than labradors.

Re: Microsoft is walking back Windows 11's AI overload

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Post by ReptileMan »

nashashmi wrote: post #111

I understand the approach Satya took initially. He had a big investment in AI. He saw a theoretical value in AI supporting productivity. And he pushed his developers and creators to imagine and mock up ideas how AI would deliver. Obviously the last part was disappointing. In hindsight, the push was far too aggressive, and too mediocre. We have a lot to learn from this try, about ourselves and about others. Integratio…

He is just Marissa Mayer level of competence without the hotness.

Re: Microsoft is walking back Windows 11's AI overload

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Post by direwolf20 »

pjc50 wrote: post #115
XorNot wrote: post #110

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is X even breaking even at the moment? Last I checked the ad revenue had dried up and boiled off, did they actually manage to cut enough to even it out?

Statistia has them at a loss, but varying around breakeven: https://www.statista.com/statistics/299119/twitter-net-incom... But that doesn't matter. It was bought as a toy and propaganda network. It can lose money indefinitely as long as its owner is paid by Tesla: https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cwyk6kvyxvzo

Tesla is also collapsing.

Re: Microsoft is walking back Windows 11's AI overload

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Post by major505 »

Pay08 wrote: post #138
major505 wrote: post #133

In the end is hardto see why they banked so heavy into it. When open AI started t o make promisses and everybody saw what it could do, Microsoft invested heavily on it, seeing some of the largest increase in its shares, and in consequence on big fat bonus for its executives. NOw that the hype is naturally going down, and people are encountering limitations in what modern AI can do, and having more realistic expectati…

I genuinely think that an "agentic" (I hate that word) OS would be incredibly useful. But both how Copilot was integrated into Windows and it simply being a terrible model destroyed that possibility.

I think it can work. In about what? 10 years, maybe more. Tech is simply not yet on the same page as a star trekk computer that you can talk and make it work.

And the main thing that needs to change for it to work is, that AI agents need to run locally, with your own agent without needing cloud processing. Maybe when we get into this point, is when it will make sense, from a pratical and private way.

Now what could work is making a traditional OS, but exposing ways of its power users maketheir own IA agents with the OS data, and this way choose what they want to share wth the cloud.

Re: Microsoft is walking back Windows 11's AI overload

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Post by stainablesteel »

protoster wrote: post #88

Too late, idiots. Just as Windows 10 was being retired, you ran the craziest anti-marketing campaign I've ever seen and successfully coaxed me into switching my daily driver to Linux. Until this year, I've been using windows my ENTIRE life.

this isn't new, microsoft has been doing this to its customers for years
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