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Mobile carriers can get your GPS location

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Re: Mobile carriers can get your GPS location

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This community should be talking about meshcore more imho. It's a peer to peer network based on Lora. It really only allows text messaging but with up to 20km hops between peers coverage is surprisingly huge. Incredibly useful if you go hiking with friends (if you get split up you can still stay in touch). See https://eastmesh.au/ and scroll down to the map for the Victoria and now more widely Australia network that'…

Is it open source?

What, protocol? Basic apps? Yes.

Re: Mobile carriers can get your GPS location

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

We really have a societal problem in that we allow private entities to do things we don’t allow government to do. Furthermore, the issue is exacerbated by then allowing governments to bypass these issues by then just paying private entities to do the things it can’t do as a proxy for the same functional outcomes. But we want to support privatization at all cost, even when privatization these days has significant infl…

Why not vote for some law limiting the government’s buying of this data? After all, I expect a say in how the government is run, so that seems like the appropriate path. I don’t see why I should expect a say in how AT&T is run. AT&T can’t raise an army, or enter my house, or shoot me.

You didn't purchase your lawmakers, the companies profiting from the bad laws did.

This is why they get their laws passed.

Re: Mobile carriers can get your GPS location

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This community should be talking about meshcore more imho. It's a peer to peer network based on Lora. It really only allows text messaging but with up to 20km hops between peers coverage is surprisingly huge. Incredibly useful if you go hiking with friends (if you get split up you can still stay in touch). See https://eastmesh.au/ and scroll down to the map for the Victoria and now more widely Australia network that'…

It is surprising that these networks aren't more popular. There are still many places and situation where connectivity isn't available

Because they're terrible and fall apart if more than a few score people are on the same freqency at the same time.

Re: Mobile carriers can get your GPS location

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

None of this should be happening without the user's knowledge and consent. Swap out your phone carrier for Facebook and it should be plainly obvious why the current state of affairs is undesirable.

What is it’s a mentally ill person who is about to kill themself? That’s the majority of uses for the system in the UK. People love to run away and waste police time.

That’s not a good excuse for mass privacy violation.

Re: Mobile carriers can get your GPS location

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None of this matters. Your rights were taken away buy the corrupt ghouls supposedly "representing" you. 2017 Broadband Consumer Privacy Proposal https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/senate-joint-re...

Anyone happen to know what the arguments were from those who supported that bill?

Here's a summary. In late 2016 the FCC passed a rule that:

(1) applies the customer privacy requirements of the Communications Act of 1934 to broadband Internet access service and other telecommunications services,

(2) requires telecommunications carriers to inform customers about rights to opt in or opt out of the use or the sharing of their confidential information,

(3) adopts data security and breach notification requirements,

(4) prohibits broadband service offerings that are contingent on surrendering privacy rights, and

(5) requires disclosures and affirmative consent when a broadband provider offers customers financial incentives in exchange for the provider's right to use a customer's confidential information.

The bill, introduced early in 2017, nullifies that rule.

It passed the Senate 50-48, then the House of Representatives 215-205, and was signed by Trump.

The 52 Republicans in the Senate voted 50 yes, 0 no, 2 not voting. The 47 Democrats, along with the 1 independent, voted no.

In the House the 236 Republicans voted 215 yes, 15 no, 6 not voting. The 190 Democrats all voted no.

Re: Mobile carriers can get your GPS location

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> We really have a societal problem in that we allow private entities to do things we don’t allow government to do. Thats basically the foundational idealogy of the united states. Thats not the issue. The real issue is your next sentence. The government can just loophole around their intentional limitations by paying private companies to work on their behalf.

It's a loophole, but it's willful by design on the government's part. The book "Means of Control" by Byron Tau covers this in great depth. It's so much worse than even those of us who are moderately interested in mass surveillance know.

I'm aware it's intentional on the government's end. My point is it is not intentional by the original intentions, and should be a priority for people to advocate to fix.

Re: Mobile carriers can get your GPS location

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euhm, well. 112 programmer here. There are multiple levels. Cell tower triangulation come in automatically from providers. But they are only in tower numbers. They might be wrongly entered by engineers, hence the confirming question about where you are. Second is subscription information, as in registered address. Chances are if called from nearby your address, you are at your address. Next is a text to your phone nu…

> This can be turned off, since implementation. Not by users. The new thing is that Apple allows users to disable this feature. Hopefully they still detect emergency calls on the phone and enable it unconditionally for those.

Note sure: In my country exactly this feature is used by police & state enforcement to find locatin, because this "ping" message is not forwarded from the modem to the OS, so the OS is not aware of any of these messages

Re: Mobile carriers can get your GPS location

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From the comments, it appears many are not aware that even the US government buys location data of users from data brokers - How the Federal Government Buys Our Cell Phone Location Data - https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2022/06/how-federal-government... ... Apparently, US cell phone companies are one of the providers of this data - US cell carriers are selling access to your real-time phone location data - https://news…

We really have a societal problem in that we allow private entities to do things we don’t allow government to do. Furthermore, the issue is exacerbated by then allowing governments to bypass these issues by then just paying private entities to do the things it can’t do as a proxy for the same functional outcomes. But we want to support privatization at all cost, even when privatization these days has significant infl…

> allow private entities to do things we don’t allow government to do. Furthermore, the issue is exacerbated by then allowing governments to bypass these issues by then just paying private entities to do the things it can’t do as a proxy for the same functional outcomes. Somehow this reminds me about Blackwater / Xe Technologies? :-/

(Im betting 100 USD that soon we will find out that ICE also deployed "private financed forces" to "support state actions"?)

Re: Mobile carriers can get your GPS location

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This community should be talking about meshcore more imho. It's a peer to peer network based on Lora. It really only allows text messaging but with up to 20km hops between peers coverage is surprisingly huge. Incredibly useful if you go hiking with friends (if you get split up you can still stay in touch). See https://eastmesh.au/ and scroll down to the map for the Victoria and now more widely Australia network that'…

Meshcore and -tastic have the huge problem that the encryption keys are bound to the device and not the app.

I've been using the T-Deck Pro and T-Lora Pager, so the device is the app.

Re: Mobile carriers can get your GPS location

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Emergency services (with the proper software) have been able to get your precise location from your phone for a while now. This isn’t a new capability and shouldn’t be surprising.

None of this should be happening without the user's knowledge and consent. Swap out your phone carrier for Facebook and it should be plainly obvious why the current state of affairs is undesirable.

I think this feature is required for emergency calls if your specific carrier is not available/in reach - in emergency mode after the phone is restarted, it does connect to any carrier when calling 911, not only yours?
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