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Mozilla is building an AI 'rebel alliance' to take on OpenAI, Anthropic

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Re: Mozilla is building an AI 'rebel alliance' to take on OpenAI, Anthropic

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Post by madeofpalk »

js8 wrote: post #130
madeofpalk wrote: post #129

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The goal is not to prevent someone from making their own model do what they want, but to prevent your model from doing what you don't want, like generate CSAM or non-consentual sexually explicit photos. I don't understand how its controversial that someone/some-company might not want their products to be known for that.

It's a bit odd requirement, but.. OK. I mean who is the malicious actor here, the AI, the human user or the AI provider? If the AI, then we shouldn't give it an agency (user should always vet the output). If it's the user, the AI is irrelevant to the question. And if it's AI provider, why would they train AI on such materials in the first place. The whole enterprise of this kind of safety doesn't make much sense to m…

> It's a bit odd requirement

It is a realistic requirement for dealing with user generated content at scale, because this is a realistic requirement thing some people will do.

We’ve seen this fold out over the past month from Grok.

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Post by port11 »

mittensc wrote: post #10

> Mozilla is focused on deploying its roughly $1.4 billion worth of reserves to support “mission driven” organizations, according to a new report. > The nonprofit, also the parent of Firefox, is investing in artificial intelligence startups that are working on safety and governance issues in AI. Why?, they want to go bankrupt?, do they like burning money? I would understand investing in AI Tech... Brilliant if they u…

That kind of reserves, invested wisely, would net enough interest to pay for a decently sized team maintaining Firefox and small AI bids. Of course I’m just an idiot on the internet, not the CEO of a behemoth.

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Post by beAbU »

threatofrain wrote: post #117
csense wrote: post #66

I would rather Mozilla spend their money focusing on reducing Firefox's enormous memory usage or maintaining Thunderbird. They could build interesting protocols into Firefox like IPFS or ENS, or develop alternatives. $1.4 billion can accomplish a lot -- if you stay in your lane and don't yeet it into a capital intensive field with uncertain returns like AI.

Thunderbird? That entire product category is passing out of cultural consciousness.

You shut your dirty mouth!

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Post by jrm4 »

wolvoleo wrote: post #140
jrm4 wrote: post #133

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Yeah, comments like this miss the boat entirely Again. THE SCALE OF MONEY. I get that its convenience for the other company, sure. But, like, what would you have them do? Explain what you guys would do better?

I don't understand what you mean by 'the scale of money'. The problem with 'free money' is that there's always strings attached. Right now Mozilla is listening toomuch to the ad industry. And trying to cozy up to them with the 'privacy preserving' attributes etc. What I would have them do is convert from a permanently declining corporation to a more volunteer-driven organisation. It's really when Mozilla started a co…

What I'm saying here is that it's utterly naive to expect Mozilla to remain "pure" given what it is up against. I think there's room for criticism like yours, but also seems like, big picture, a lot of anti-Mozilla stuff is perspective-free whining.

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Post by rootnod3 »

wolvoleo wrote: post #30
rootnod3 wrote: post #9

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Already packed an emergency stash of popcorn just to sit back and watch that fabulous disaster.

The problem is, when multi trillion dollars go poof everyone is going to feel the pain, even those that wisely stayed away from investing in the bubble.

And there'll be bullshit bailouts. But I'd rather embrace that pain than living through more cycles of that LLM BS. It will create so many generational problems.

Is it so hard to just read a freaking man page or read a book instead of wasting gallons of water and electricity for some answer that hallucinates command line flags that don't even exist?

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Post by tokai »

jrm4 wrote: post #134
tokai wrote: post #41

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Name one Mozilla project that beat its corporate competition.

It doesn't have to beat it to "be winning" for purposes of "accomplishing the mission." This is exactly as goofy as saying "Linux is only 3% of the desktop therefore it is a loser."

Name one that accomplished the mission then.

Re: Mozilla is building an AI 'rebel alliance' to take on OpenAI, Anthropic

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Post by jrm4 »

tokai wrote: post #146
jrm4 wrote: post #134

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It doesn't have to beat it to "be winning" for purposes of "accomplishing the mission." This is exactly as goofy as saying "Linux is only 3% of the desktop therefore it is a loser."

Name one that accomplished the mission then.

The continued existence and general usability of one browser not owned and/or controlled by one of the huge kabillion dollar companies is an obvious example here.

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Post by soco »

storus wrote: post #81
crystal_revenge wrote: post #53

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> that's governments job Why do people take these AI "safety" research projects at face value? The real reason you need AI that is "safe" and "governable" is so that when you start having it promote advertisers content or support the current administration, you don't have to worry about it going "off the rails" and promoting a competing product to criticizing the administration. I'm sure plenty of researchers in this…

We currently can't do "AI safety" even in bleeding edge alignment research so investing into some startups in that area is just burning money. Current LLMs/ViTs have non-zero probability of producing something unsafe and it's their inherent trait.

Just so I understand your comment, are you trying to say that the money on safety should go first into research? And not into a later startup, which is just putting lipstick on the pig? I agree to this understanding, no doubt about it.

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Post by hagbard_c »

mjhay wrote: post #76
guizadillas wrote: post #17

You had ONE JOB Mozilla, ONE JOB

Correct, it’s to make their non-profit executives rich.

That was the job description under Mitchell Baker and her successors. Under Brendan Eich it was different, maybe that is why the like of Baker wanted to get rid of him?

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Post by hagbard_c »

Jugglewhoa wrote: post #45

Firefox has burned enough goodwill with me over the years. Them putting ads in the URL bar was the last straw and I switched to LibreWolf. Haven't looked back since, its basically a drop in replacement and works with all my previous container/add on workflows. May need to mess with fonts, but that's it.

Ads in the URL bar? I have never seen anything like that and I've been using Firefox as my standard browser since before it reached v1.0. What sort of ads, where did you see them?
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