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The worrying thing is that we now know about the lies where there's clear evidence, but we don't know the extent of the illegal torture/brutality where we don't have evidence (e.g. inside the concentration camps used to hold "immigrants").
Nonviolent crowd control does not seem to be a core competence of these federal forces. They should augment deployed enforcement with those who have such expertise.
Who? They are complaining that sanctuary cities' local police are not cooperating. Who else are you suggesting has the necessary expertise?
https://mn.gov/doc/about/news/combatting-dhs-misinformation/
Nonviolent crowd control does not seem to be a core competence of these federal forces. They should augment deployed enforcement with those who have such expertise.
That's the what the state police is for... the one that Minnesota refused to deploy to help ICE when the Good and Pretti situations happened.
In addition, they are cooperating where they can: https://mn.gov/doc/about/news/combatting-dhs-misinformation/
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Honestly I haven’t seen that video before now but are you kidding me? First of all cars don’t break like that from a kick. Second of all where’d the ford logo on the car go? Clearly AI. Classic AI video tells, it’s not even subtle. Sad for you that you fell for it but not expected. If you don’t see murder in the original cell phone videos, you’ll rationalize this any way you can.
Nonviolent crowd control does not seem to be a core competence of these federal forces. They should augment deployed enforcement with those who have such expertise.
> Nonviolent crowd control does not seem to be a core competence of these federal forces. Why is crowd control even needed? ICE existed for many, many years before now, and them doing their job never caused crowds previously (under both R and D administrations), so what (rhetorically) changed?
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As far as her vehicle was concerned, I've seen elsewhere that she had been parked earlier and had pulled out but was letting other vehicles go through first, waving them on. Not complying with a masked men with guns who gave conflicting info (leave now/get out of the car) who were going to mess her up as much as they could? Really? She was trying to leave. You should watch the video where Alex Pretti tries to protect…
> blaming the victims for their fate I don't blame them for getting shot. From what I can tell, they should not have been shot. Since when is victim-blaming binary? I can't say that victims should be aware that their actions or choices have consequences? > masked men with guns Did they not know they were going to protest ICE? That they were masked? (And that they're masked because people are harassing them and others…
The situation with ICE is in a sense uncharted territory (even with traditional abuses by police there's ostensibly some accountability, but ICE has been declared by the administration to have carte blanch in their operations -- explicitly told that they can act with impunity).
From the goog ai:
The First Amendment protects the rights to free speech and peaceable assembly, allowing public protest in traditional forums like streets, sidewalks, and parks. While peaceful protest is protected, the government can impose content-neutral "time, place, and manner" restrictions, such as permits for large, disruptive, or traffic-obstructing events.
> If I assault someone with a gun, I should be prepared that they might use that gun, especially when they can't think straight because I'm yelling in their faces, blowing whistles at them, kicking the lights off their cars, etc.
It should also be noted that Pretti was absolutely within his rights and had permits to carry and never brandished it. I'm not a gun nut and think that bringing a gun to a protest is not a good idea, but it's a non issue on the justification of his murder.
ICE's presence and actions are not in good faith -- they are not there to catch "murderers, rapists, and other bad guys". They are hunting for any possible bounty regardless of legality and have detained US citizens.
> If I choose to be a part of a group that's doing those things, I should be prepared to be treated as a member of that group.
It's been shown that "being a part of that group" has been loosely applied where people in the vicinity who are not protesters are also being attacked by ICE.
Note that ICE was enforcing the law and removing "bad guys" in the previous administrations without going to the extremes they are now.
And most importantly, it's clear that the Trump administration wants some sort of violence to occur so that it can "justify" notching up enforcemnt even further -- likely martial law.
If you evaluate whats happening as if the government is acting legally and in good faith you are either misinformed or a supporter of the administration and have no loyalty to the Constitution.
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I mean yeah, they're not "for" it but you can see how deploying the PD would be helpful as they're more inclined to be non-violent and also I'd reckon they have far more experience than ICE considering the mass requirements which results in many many ICE officers being pretty much just militarized citizens with lacking experience put into stressful situations.
Maybe the federal government shouldn't be sending "pretty much just militarized citizens with lacking experience" into "stressful situations." Kooky idea, I know.
Kooky idea, I know.
It’s hilarious seeing the kind of narratives the right is coming up with to avoid admitting the obvious truth which is on video from multiple angles. I’m now seeing people say things like “you can’t carry a gun at protests” (even though there are numerous photos of people openly carrying guns at right wing protests), or “here’s a different video showing Pretty was an agitator” (as if that excuses the execution), or “…
"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities."
> "They are trying to control a narrative from the very start, and they don't seem to care when they're proven wrong," said David Lapan, who was the DHS press secretary in 2017, during Trump's first administration. That's the key bit. They don't need to be proven right. They don't even need their story to be consistent. > “Never believe that anti-Semites are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They…
"I'm coming to Boston and I'm bringing hell with me." --Homan in February
"Do I expect violence to escalate? Absolutely." -- Tom Homan in March
"I actually thought about getting up and throwing that man a beating right there in the middle of the room" -- Homan in July, referring to a D congressman
But American citizens exercising their constitutional rights? THEY need to tone down the rhetoric.
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Honestly I haven’t seen that video before now but are you kidding me? First of all cars don’t break like that from a kick. Second of all where’d the ford logo on the car go? Clearly AI. Classic AI video tells, it’s not even subtle. Sad for you that you fell for it but not expected. If you don’t see murder in the original cell phone videos, you’ll rationalize this any way you can.
This is the world we live in now I guess, where everything you don't like is AI
> where everything you don't like is AI
This is projection. You're doing the same thing in reverse -- treating AI output with credulity because you want to believe it.