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Re: Clawdbot Renames to Moltbot

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Post by simonw »

Jayakumark wrote: post #92
simonw wrote: post #25

This project terrifies me. On the one hand it really is very cool, and a lot of people are reporting great results using it. It helped someone negotiate with car dealers to buy a car! https://aaronstuyvenberg.com/posts/clawd-bought-a-car But it's an absolute perfect storm for prompt injection and lethal trifecta attacks: https://simonwillison.net/2025/Jun/16/the-lethal-trifecta/ People are hooking this thing up to Te…

If you have to mitigate the security issues but still use the product, how and what would you do about it ? to prevent prompt injection attacks and trifecta attacks. How to prevent gmail and iMessage leaks, if we cut off outbound access then it becomes useless , also it will spin up a reverse proxy like ngrok and send the data as long as it has inbound access. Once it has internet access its hard to prevent untrusted…

That's the reason I called it the lethal trifecta: the only way to protect against it is to cut off one of the legs.

And like you observed, that greatly restricts the usefulness of what we can build!

The most credible path forward I've seen so far is the DeepMind CaMeL paper: https://simonwillison.net/2025/Apr/11/camel/

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Post by wlonkly »

Dylan16807 wrote: post #85
KenoFischer wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Do they have "leggo my eggo" itself trademarked? As a matter of fact, they do: https://tsdr.uspto.gov/#caseNumber=77021301&caseType=SERIAL_... The full complaint linked above has a full list of trademarks. There's also a claim for trade dress infringement, since the food truck uses the same font and red-yellow-white color scheme.

However, that particular phrase appears to be trademarked for: waffles, pancakes, french toast

Skimming the complaint, Kellogg looks to be arguing it is a well-known mark,[1] and is also making a trade dress claim.

[1] https://www.uspto.gov/ip-policy/trademark-policy/well-known-...

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Post by jakereps »

mattmaroon wrote: post #27
putlake wrote: post #9

The way trademarks work is that if you don't actively defend them you weaken your rights. So Anthropic needs to defend their ownership of "Claude". I'm guessing they reached out to Peter Steinberger and asked nicely that he rename Clawdbot.

Last year in my area, a food truck decided to call itself Leggo My Egg Roll, and obvious play on Eggo waffles tagline. Kellogg sent them a cease and desist, they decided to ignore it. Kellogg then offered to pay them to rebrand, they still wouldn’t. They then sued for $15 million.

My old local brewery had a Leggo My Ego[1] beer they also were served a cease and desist by Kellogg over... they still make it, it's just now called the Unlawful Waffle[2] which is a bit funnier if you happen to know the lore/reason.

1. https://untappd.com/b/arizona-wilderness-brewing-co-leggo-my...

2. https://untappd.com/b/arizona-wilderness-brewing-co-unlawful...

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Post by wilg »

ndriscoll wrote: post #139
dghlsakjg wrote: post #131

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are you looking at the Eggo logo in that filing from the 30s? If you look at the modern Eggo logo shown later in the filing compared to the egg roll trucks usage of it in “L’Eggo my eggroll” it is clearly so similar that it is hard to distinguish which “L’Eggo” belongs to the truck if you isolate them. Parody and fair use are also significantly weakened in law when the use is commercial and without social commentary.…

I'm looking at all of what's in that document. The 'E' is literally the most dissimilar letter. It's very obviously distinct, and even more obviously distinct when isolated. In any case, they might legally prevail, but let's not kid ourselves: no one is going to be confused. The lawyer who wrote that is not just immoral in some abstract sense; they are concretely a disingenuous liar .

Arguing the "E" in the "Eggo" trademark and the "E" on the egg roll truck are so distinct that anyone arguing it must be lying is not a reasonable position.

Re: Clawdbot Renames to Moltbot

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Post by deaux »

paxys wrote: post #124
rahimnathwani wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe those folks buying Mac Minis to host at home weren't so silly after all. The exposed ones are almost all hosted on VPSs which, by design, have publicly-routable IP addresses. But anyway I think connecting to a Clawdbot instance requires pairing unless you're coming from localhost: https://docs.molt.bot/start/pairing

The silly part is buying a $600 Mac mini when any $100 NUC or $50 raspberry pi or any cheap mini PC off of eBay will do the job exactly the same.

The silly part is buying a $50 raspberry pi, then storage and memory and so on, when a $200 used M1 Mac mini is plug-and-play.

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Post by behole »

simonw wrote: post #25

This project terrifies me. On the one hand it really is very cool, and a lot of people are reporting great results using it. It helped someone negotiate with car dealers to buy a car! https://aaronstuyvenberg.com/posts/clawd-bought-a-car But it's an absolute perfect storm for prompt injection and lethal trifecta attacks: https://simonwillison.net/2025/Jun/16/the-lethal-trifecta/ People are hooking this thing up to Te…

I hooked this up all Willy Nilly to iMessages, fell asleep and Claude responded, a lot, to all of my messages. When I woke up I thought I was still dreaming because I COULD’T remember writing any of the replies I “wrote”. Needless to say, with great power…

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Post by z2 »

Barbing wrote: post #43
clarkmoody wrote: post #34

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...and then what happened?

Good question https://local12.com/news/nation-world/kellogg-leggo-my-eggro...

Could they have gotten around this by actually serving Eggo waffles? Would that have then fallen under nominative fair use?

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Post by ndriscoll »

wilg wrote: post #144
ndriscoll wrote: post #139

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm looking at all of what's in that document. The 'E' is literally the most dissimilar letter. It's very obviously distinct, and even more obviously distinct when isolated. In any case, they might legally prevail, but let's not kid ourselves: no one is going to be confused. The lawyer who wrote that is not just immoral in some abstract sense; they are concretely a disingenuous liar .

Arguing the "E" in the "Eggo" trademark and the "E" on the egg roll truck are so distinct that anyone arguing it must be lying is not a reasonable position.

My commentary on the 'E' is a response to that being specifically called out as the same in an earlier comment when it's specifically not the same if you actually look at it. The bit about the lawyer lying is what I quoted from the court document: that it's "likely to deceive and cause confusion, mistake, or deception among consumers or potential consumers" about whether this is endorsed or associated with Kellogg. And yes let's not kid ourselves, that is a lie. No one including the lawyer thinks that's true. Saying things that you obviously think are untrue is lying, even if you do it professionally.

Re: Clawdbot Renames to Moltbot

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Post by wilg »

ndriscoll wrote: post #149
wilg wrote: post #144

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Arguing the "E" in the "Eggo" trademark and the "E" on the egg roll truck are so distinct that anyone arguing it must be lying is not a reasonable position.

My commentary on the 'E' is a response to that being specifically called out as the same in an earlier comment when it's specifically not the same if you actually look at it. The bit about the lawyer lying is what I quoted from the court document: that it's "likely to deceive and cause confusion, mistake, or deception among consumers or potential consumers" about whether this is endorsed or associated with Kellogg. A…

I agree you had a reason for what you said about the "E", I'm taking issue with what you said.

No, speaking on someone else's behalf, as lawyers are obligate to do is not lying. They are representing their client's position.

You also cannot "lie" about an opinion about what might confuse other people.

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