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Re: Software Pump and Dump

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Post by threethirtytwo »

habinero wrote: post #136
yunohn wrote: post #99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why is HN so susceptible to appeals to authority and constant mild-severe deification of other humans?

I don't get it, either. There's an entire class of people on here who just run around looking for anyone to lead them. I had a guy crash out after I told him that "so and so said Thing was good" was not sufficient to say whether Thing was good or not. I told him he needed to develop enough skill to determine that for himself or he'd constantly fall for hype. My dude pasted a ChatGPT list of engineers who had ever sai…

You’re still not responding to what I actually said.

No one claimed “X said it’s good, therefore it’s good.” The point was that ignoring what experienced people say entirely is just as dumb as following them blindly.

You told me to “think for myself.” Great. Thinking for yourself doesn’t mean pretending expert opinion doesn’t exist. It means weighing it against your own understanding. That’s literally how learning works.

Calling it a “ChatGPT list” is just you dodging the question. If those people are wrong, explain why. If some are right for bad reasons, name them. Laughing and changing the subject isn’t an argument.

You’re shadowboxing a strawman and congratulating yourself for winning.

Re: Software Pump and Dump

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Post by whattheheckheck »

enopod_ wrote: post #118
postalcoder wrote: post #30

The top three stories on hn right now: 1. ▲ Moltbook (moltbook.com) 538 points by teej 8 hours ago | hide | 293 comments 2. ▲ Software Pump and Dump (tautvilas.lt) 108 points by brisky 5 hours ago | hide | 25 comments 3. ▲ OpenClaw – Moltbot Renamed Again (openclaw.ai) 256 points by ed 6 hours ago | hide | 110 comments This is art.

TIL about all that stuff, Moltbook, Openclaw, Gas Town, and I don't get it anymore. It's too much. Forums for chatbots with their own religion but its actually a crypto scam and vibecoded hypesoftware to scam people with sh*tcoins because yolo and whatnot. I'm out.

The open claw guy doesn't like Gastown, mcp, nor Ralph bot

Re: Software Pump and Dump

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Post by TeMPOraL »

lkey wrote: post #103
TeMPOraL wrote: post #78

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> I'm not sure I understand the point of OpenClaw -- in the sense that its benefits are not immediately obvious, while its dangers are making big red flashes and fire sirens. I only skimmed the OpenClaw post, but unless I completely misunderstood the README in their GitHub repo, to me the benefits are stupidly obvious, and I was actually planning to look at it closer over the weekend. The value proposition I saw is:…

When I was a child, my mother would arrange get togethers by calling an coordinating with other mothers. In so doing, they would chat for a bit about local gossip or life events. Eventually, some of these women became lifelong friends as she aged. My mother's mother would physically drop in unannounced to the people she wanted to talk to, and they'd have tea and chat a while to coordinate events. This was reciprocal.…

It's not about poisoning serendipity. It's about:

- Automating the boring part of creating calendar invites and such from messages people send, which half of the time are photos of some announcements. LLMs are already a godsend here.

- Getting up to speed quickly on what's going on in various kindergarten groups I'm in, whenever a bunch of parents who don't work on traditional schedule decide to have a spontaneous conference in late morning, and generate a 100 messages on the group by early afternoon.

Etc.

I'm not trying to avoid communicating with people - on the contrary, I want to eliminate the various inconveniences (more and less trivial) that usually prevent me from keeping up.

Re: Software Pump and Dump

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Post by TeMPOraL »

Bishonen88 wrote: post #119
TeMPOraL wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I'm not sure I understand the point of OpenClaw -- in the sense that its benefits are not immediately obvious, while its dangers are making big red flashes and fire sirens. I only skimmed the OpenClaw post, but unless I completely misunderstood the README in their GitHub repo, to me the benefits are stupidly obvious, and I was actually planning to look at it closer over the weekend. The value proposition I saw is:…

At work we were joking that people will use LLM to create fancy-looking documents which will then be parsed through LLMs back to be concise and to the point. With LLMs handling the sending of messages as well, this makes the whole concept will be even more efficient. I can just imagine that many people won't be using stuff like this to automate copy-pasting etc. but literally let LLM's handle conversations for them (…

More charitable take: they'd be using LLMs as secretaries.

Having a delegate to deal with communications is something people embrace when they can afford it. "My people will talk to your people" isn't an unusual concept. LLMs could be an alternative to human secretaries, that's affordable to the middle class and below.

Re: Software Pump and Dump

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Post by swiftcoder »

embedding-shape wrote: post #128
ewpratten wrote: post #93

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I’m doing that (similar scale and same language) with a base model M4 mini. Works great. Anything more is overkill imo.

Thanks! Yeah, guess it's mostly nitpicky choice between M4 Pro and M3 Ultra, and both would work fine ultimately.

I mean, I think the non-Pro base model M4 would be just fine for a CI box. Unless you are compiling something the whole of Chromium all day every day.

Re: Software Pump and Dump

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Post by embedding-shape »

swiftcoder wrote: post #145
embedding-shape wrote: post #128

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Thanks! Yeah, guess it's mostly nitpicky choice between M4 Pro and M3 Ultra, and both would work fine ultimately.

I mean, I think the non-Pro base model M4 would be just fine for a CI box. Unless you are compiling something the whole of Chromium all day every day.

Meh, if I'm buying new hardware, (and I'm not that price sensitive,) I'd rather go with the best CPU the model has available when I get it. And no, just a whole bunch of Rust projects, so no compiling of Chromiums, just compilation of other Rust browsers.

Re: Software Pump and Dump

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Post by yunohn »

threethirtytwo wrote: post #140
yunohn wrote: post #99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why is HN so susceptible to appeals to authority and constant mild-severe deification of other humans?

You’re confused about what an “appeal to authority” actually is. An appeal to authority is saying “X is true because this person said so.” That’s not what’s happening here. What’s happening is people treating expert opinion as evidence, not a verdict. You say you don’t want appeals to authority, then you immediately offer your own opinion and expect people to take it seriously. Why? On what basis? Because it’s your j…

I would’ve taken this response more seriously if it weren’t written with LLM assistance.

Regardless, it’s a lot of words to again say “they are famous, so consider them more seriously” despite the obvious scam being perpetuated via crypto. The appeal to authority is you stating their credentials first, and none of the deductions you claim one should make from merit.

Re: Software Pump and Dump

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Post by yunohn »

threethirtytwo wrote: post #141
habinero wrote: post #136

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't get it, either. There's an entire class of people on here who just run around looking for anyone to lead them. I had a guy crash out after I told him that "so and so said Thing was good" was not sufficient to say whether Thing was good or not. I told him he needed to develop enough skill to determine that for himself or he'd constantly fall for hype. My dude pasted a ChatGPT list of engineers who had ever sai…

You’re still not responding to what I actually said. No one claimed “X said it’s good, therefore it’s good.” The point was that ignoring what experienced people say entirely is just as dumb as following them blindly. You told me to “think for myself.” Great. Thinking for yourself doesn’t mean pretending expert opinion doesn’t exist. It means weighing it against your own understanding. That’s literally how learning wo…

The reason is the crypto pump & dump - literally no other reasoning is required for my personal conclusion.

Re: Software Pump and Dump

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Post by threethirtytwo »

yunohn wrote: post #147
threethirtytwo wrote: post #140

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You’re confused about what an “appeal to authority” actually is. An appeal to authority is saying “X is true because this person said so.” That’s not what’s happening here. What’s happening is people treating expert opinion as evidence, not a verdict. You say you don’t want appeals to authority, then you immediately offer your own opinion and expect people to take it seriously. Why? On what basis? Because it’s your j…

I would’ve taken this response more seriously if it weren’t written with LLM assistance. Regardless, it’s a lot of words to again say “they are famous, so consider them more seriously” despite the obvious scam being perpetuated via crypto. The appeal to authority is you stating their credentials first, and none of the deductions you claim one should make from merit.

It wasn’t LLM assisted. That accusation is just a way to avoid dealing with the point.

You keep restating a position no one is taking. No one said “they’re famous, therefore right.” That’s something you invented so you don’t have to argue against what was actually said.

Credentials don’t make an argument true. They explain why an opinion isn’t noise. Pretending otherwise doesn’t make you principled, it just makes you incurious.

If there’s an obvious scam, spell it out. If the reasoning is flawed, point to the step where it fails. You haven’t done either.

So far all you’ve contributed is tone policing, motive guessing, and now AI paranoia.

Re: Software Pump and Dump

#150

Post by threethirtytwo »

yunohn wrote: post #148
threethirtytwo wrote: post #141

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You’re still not responding to what I actually said. No one claimed “X said it’s good, therefore it’s good.” The point was that ignoring what experienced people say entirely is just as dumb as following them blindly. You told me to “think for myself.” Great. Thinking for yourself doesn’t mean pretending expert opinion doesn’t exist. It means weighing it against your own understanding. That’s literally how learning wo…

The reason is the crypto pump & dump - literally no other reasoning is required for my personal conclusion.

If “crypto = scam” is the full extent of your analysis, then you’re not being skeptical or careful. You’re just running a reflex and pretending it’s reasoning.

People who actually understand things can explain how they’re wrong. People who don’t just announce they’ve already reached a conclusion and declare further thought unnecessary.

If that’s your bar, then yes, no other reasoning is required, because none was applied in the first place.

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