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When AI 'builds a browser,' check the repo before believing the hype

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Re: When AI 'builds a browser,' check the repo before believing the hype

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Post by vidarh »

simonw wrote: post #114
thmlbvf wrote: post #112

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s been fascinating, watching you go from someone who I could always turn into more sensible opinion about technology for the last 15 years, to a sellout whose every message drips with motivated reasoning.

I feel like I spend way too much of my time arguing back against motivated reasoning from people. "This project is junk that doesn't even compile", for example.

It's largely futile. There's a certain contingent that will not be convinced of this until they see what these tools can do first hand, and they'll refuse to try to do this properly until it's everywhere.

Re: When AI 'builds a browser,' check the repo before believing the hype

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Post by antonvs »

Fervicus wrote: post #126
antonvs wrote: post #92

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Meh. What do you think the grift is here exactly? No one’s trying to sell the newly minted source code to a web browser. If this is the first time you’ve encountered a hype bubble, it’s a good opportunity to learn so that you can navigate the next one more easily.

If you think there is no grift here, then maybe it's your first hype bubble.

This reminds me of a US District Court judge's ruling about Tucker Carlson on Fox News: "Any reasonable viewer 'arrives with an appropriate amount of skepticism' about the statements".

Sure, if you're talking about rubes who just got off the bus in the big city, then perhaps there's a point buried somewhere deep in the pile you're pushing. But is that who you think the HN audience is? Admittedly, talking to you, I can't rule it out.

Re: When AI 'builds a browser,' check the repo before believing the hype

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Post by antonvs »

dns_snek wrote: post #105
antonvs wrote: post #92

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Meh. What do you think the grift is here exactly? No one’s trying to sell the newly minted source code to a web browser. If this is the first time you’ve encountered a hype bubble, it’s a good opportunity to learn so that you can navigate the next one more easily.

> What do you think the grift is here exactly? The obvious? Selling subscriptions to individuals, reaching higher-ups with bombastic headlines, reaching potential investors, perpetuating the bubble.

Do those "higher-ups" or potential investors have any agency?

Re: When AI 'builds a browser,' check the repo before believing the hype

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Post by well_ackshually »

tyre wrote: post #28
simonw wrote: post #23

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That was from a conversation here on Hacker News the other day: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46624541#46709191

I wish your recent interview had pushed much harder on this. It came across as politely not wanting to bring up how poorly this really went, even for what the engineer intended. They were making claims without the level of rigor to back them up. There was an opportunity to learn some difficult lessons, but—and I don’t think this was your intention—it came across to me as kind of access journalism; not wanting to step…

The person you're responding to isn't a journalist, they're a mouthpiece. Pushing means they don't get these interviews anymore.

The quality of whatever they put out as a result of it is yours to take into consideration.

Re: When AI 'builds a browser,' check the repo before believing the hype

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Post by antonvs »

Fervicus wrote: post #126
antonvs wrote: post #92

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Meh. What do you think the grift is here exactly? No one’s trying to sell the newly minted source code to a web browser. If this is the first time you’ve encountered a hype bubble, it’s a good opportunity to learn so that you can navigate the next one more easily.

If you think there is no grift here, then maybe it's your first hype bubble.

Amusingly, by (dictionary) definition you're wrong, because "grift" means "engage in petty or small-scale swindling" (Merriam-Webster), but you're alluding to a much larger-scale phenomenon.

But it's tinfoil-hattish to claim that projects like this and the PR about it is part of a "grift". You're squinting hard to be able to see what you want to see.

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