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Vibe coding kills open source

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Re: Vibe coding kills open source

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Post by groundzeros2015 »

trey-jones wrote: post #82
nicoburns wrote: post #37

Something I've noticed is that AI code generation makes it easier/faster to generate code while shifting more work of the work of keeping code correct and maintainable to the code review stage. That can be highly problematic for open source projects that are typically already bottlenecked by maintainer review bandwidth. It can be mitigated by PR submitters doing a review and edit pass prior to submitting a PR. But a…

To me, an old guy, I would rather have LLM doing (assisting with) the code review than the actual code production. Is that stupid?

This makes sense to me.

I need to make decisions about how things are implemented. Even if it can pick “a way” that’s not necessarily going to be a coherent design that I want.

In contrast for review I already made the choices and now it’s just providing feedback. More information I can choose to follow or ignore.

Re: Vibe coding kills open source

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Post by korenmiklos »

bluejay2387 wrote: post #79

Does it seem to anyone else that author's have created a definition for 'vibe coding' that is specifically designed to justify their paper? Also that their premise is based on the assumption that developers will be irresponsible about the use of these tools ("often without users directly reading documentation, reporting bugs, or otherwise engaging with maintainers") so that it would actually be people killing open so…

Author here. We have the productvity-increasing effect of AI coding agents in the model (you're right, we're using "vibe coding" as a catch-all here). Our claim is that rewards to OSS developers (visibility and recognition in the dev community, future sponsorships, upsells to business users etc) fall faster than productivity increases. OSS devs lose the incentives to create software for others and respond to their needs.

Re: Vibe coding kills open source

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Post by blibble »

iknowSFR wrote: post #78
anticorporate wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think you're missing the enormous value in apps being standardized and opinionated. Standardized means that in addition to documentation, the whole internet is available to help you. Opinionated means as a user of an app in a new domain, you don't have to make a million decisions about how something should work to just get started. Sure, there will be more personalized apps for those who have a lot of expertise in…

Then you’re going to be left behind. I’m going to be left behind. Every problem or concern you raise will adapt to the next world because those things are valuable. These concerns are temporary, not permanent.

> Then you’re going to be left behind.

I really, really don't care

I didn't get into programming for the money, it's just been a nice bonus

Re: Vibe coding kills open source

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Post by donatj »

As the maintainer of a handful of small projects, what I have seen for better or worse is tickets and pull requests completely dry up.

My guess is instead of Googling "library that does X" people are asking AI to solve the problem and it's regurgitating a solution in place? That's my theory anyway.

Re: Vibe coding kills open source

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Post by jen20 »

blibble wrote: post #76
echelon wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You won't have to ignore this stuff for long. Pretty soon it'll be mandatory to keep up. I've been a senior engineer doing large scale active-active, five nines distributed systems that process billions of dollars of transactions daily. These are well thought out systems with 20+ folks on design document reviews. Not all of the work falls into that category, though. There's so much plumbing and maintenance and wiring…

> I've been so not now, then?

“I’ve been alive for fifty years” does not imply one is dead.

Re: Vibe coding kills open source

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Post by frizlab »

blibble wrote: post #143
iknowSFR wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Then you’re going to be left behind. I’m going to be left behind. Every problem or concern you raise will adapt to the next world because those things are valuable. These concerns are temporary, not permanent.

> Then you’re going to be left behind. I really, really don't care I didn't get into programming for the money, it's just been a nice bonus

> I didn't get into programming for the money, it's just been a nice bonus.

Exactly the same for me! If kind of feel like an artist whose paintings are worth more more easily than a paint or music artist… But boy would I be poor if this art were worthless!

Re: Vibe coding kills open source

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Post by nicoburns »

echelon wrote: post #33
koakuma-chan wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't trust software that has .claude in its GitHub repo.

You won't have to ignore this stuff for long. Pretty soon it'll be mandatory to keep up. I've been a senior engineer doing large scale active-active, five nines distributed systems that process billions of dollars of transactions daily. These are well thought out systems with 20+ folks on design document reviews. Not all of the work falls into that category, though. There's so much plumbing and maintenance and wiring…

> Holy hell HN, downvoted to -4 in record time. Y'all don't like what's happening, but it's really happening. > > I'm not lying about this. > > I provided my background so you'd understand the context of my claims. I have a solid background in tech.

There are lots of people claiming this. Many of whom have a solid background. Every now and then I check out someone's claim (checking the code they've generated). I've yet to find an AI-generated codebase that passed that check so far.

Perhaps yours is the one that does, but as we can't see the code for ourselves, there's no way for us to really know. And it's hard to take your word for it when there are so many people falsely making the same claims.

I expect a lot of HNers have had this experience.

Re: Vibe coding kills open source

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Post by koakuma-chan »

echelon wrote: post #33
koakuma-chan wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't trust software that has .claude in its GitHub repo.

You won't have to ignore this stuff for long. Pretty soon it'll be mandatory to keep up. I've been a senior engineer doing large scale active-active, five nines distributed systems that process billions of dollars of transactions daily. These are well thought out systems with 20+ folks on design document reviews. Not all of the work falls into that category, though. There's so much plumbing and maintenance and wiring…

> Holy hell HN, downvoted to -4 in record time. Y'all don't like what's happening, but it's really happening.

I gave you an upvote FWIW, after all, I mean, my job's codebase is already a buggy mess, so it doesn't hurt to throw AI on it, which is what I do.

> You might not need your employer anymore. If you can do sales and wear many hats, you'll do exceedingly well.

Wasn't this the case before AI as well?

Re: Vibe coding kills open source

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Post by ipaddr »

9dev wrote: post #83
ipaddr wrote: post #49

For me spending time on my open source projects doesn't make sense anymore. People (the community and employers) previously were impressed because of the amount of work required. Now that respect is gone as people can't automatically tell on the surface if this is a low effort vibe code or something else. Community engagement has dropped. Stars aren't being given out as freely. People aren't actively reading your cod…

Eh, I don't believe that. Smartphones have amazing cameras, and we still have photographers. There are CNC saws and mills that will ship you your perfectly realised CAD prints, yet there are still carpenters and a vibrant community of people making their own furniture. These examples go on and on. Without any kind of offence implied: As maintainer of a few open source projects, I'm happy if it stops being an employab…

Photographers use cameras so increasing cameras makes more photographers.

CNC saws use to take pencil draws as input and now they can handle files. People always made handmade furniture while CNCs existed.

Open source projects around a need will continue. Things like youtube downloader fills a need. But many projects were showing off what you as a developer can write to impress a community. Those are dead. Projects that showcased new coding styles or ways to do things are dead.

Faang open source employment was never a thing. Faang filtered by leetcode, referrals, clout and h1 visas.

Re: Vibe coding kills open source

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Post by pixl97 »

p0nce wrote: post #36

It is effective but once cost of creating something is down, then you have less reason to collaborate and depend on each other vs asking your own LLM to build your own bubble. When paired with new-found cognitive laziness and lack of motivation when you then use no AI it's not sure of the second order effects.

>then you have less reason to collaborate and depend on each other vs asking your own LLM to build your own bubble

What's interesting in reading comments like this is reading the same type of message across a bunch of different fields and aspects of life.

"When continents move, not only the weather changes"

If GenAI keeps increasing it's abilities and doesn't bankrupt a number of companies first, I think it's going to make a lot of people bubbles that encompass their entire lives. It's not difficult to imagine little pockets of hyperreality were some peoples lives are only feed by generated content and their existence starts to behave more like a video game than having any grounding in the physical. It's going to be interesting what the fractured remains of society look like in that future.

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