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There's only one Woz, but we can all learn from him

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Re: There's only one Woz, but we can all learn from him

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Post by wat10000 »

testfrequency wrote: post #136
wat10000 wrote: post #134

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My first computer was an Apple IIGS and everything since then has been a Mac. "Scott" doesn't bring anyone specific to mind for me. Maybe that connection is automatic for newcomers who immediately think "iPhone" when they hear "Apple."

I had a very long career at Apple. I have also met and spent time with Woz on multiple occasions. I have some bias here. Possibly my assumption was incorrectly based more on people who actually worked at Apple vs what the normal public thinks of when they hear “Scott” and “Woz” in the context of Apple.

It would make sense that people on the inside would be a lot more aware of him. Forstall was obviously a pretty big name in the community but not to the point of getting a shorthand name like that. And he was mostly forgotten pretty quickly after he left.

Re: There's only one Woz, but we can all learn from him

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Post by Imustaskforhelp »

mghackerlady wrote: post #126
NetMageSCW wrote: post #107

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Most of that is incorrect and revisionist history. The Web was developed on a commercial system (the NExT from Steve Job’s company) and initial implementations were made on various commercial systems by differing groups. Even today, Linux is at most 50% of the web servers on the Internet.

Linux is at most 88 percent of servers, since windows is only estimated to be used on 11% of servers and the other unices aren't used outside of very specific circumstances

> Linux is at most 88 percent of servers, since windows is only estimated to be used on 11% of servers and the other unices aren't used outside of very specific circumstances

I wanted to comment on this. Please correct me if I am wrong as I used LLM sources to find

So from what I can find (from human searches) was that https://commandlinux.com/statistics/linux-web-server-market-... Linux is indeed ~55%

But the other thing is that some servers (from Chatgpt, I am not gonna lie) it says that there's an Unknown/CDN servers around 20 or more% (I feel like its more) to then reach the ~88% data estimate in some sense.

So can someone please clarify me on this if this is the true case or not?

Re: There's only one Woz, but we can all learn from him

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Post by ares623 »

varjag wrote: post #47
bko wrote: post #42

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Worshiping Woz is cool, but like the article says, there's only one Woz. And chances are you're nothing like Woz or Jobs. But Ballmer? That's someone I can look to emulate. https://medium.com/packt-hub/how-to-be-like-steve-ballmer-cf...

There were/are countless engineers which are very like Woz. Just that engineers are worse positioned to reap the rewards of commercial success so you rarely hear of them.

People who worship Jobs helped make sure of that

Re: There's only one Woz, but we can all learn from him

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Post by DonHopkins »

paulcole wrote: post #57
postalcoder wrote: post #54

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Since when was HN about venture capital? Hacker news is designed for and targeted at hackers. In the sense of the word that means people who write code, not people who break into things. Other people with similar tastes also like it. Since it's run by YC and the initial users were mostly YC founders, there is inevitably a startup spin to the stories that are popular here. In fact the site was originally called Startu…

Do you believe all marketing and advertising copy that you read?

I believed all the marketing and advertising copy that made me want to buy an Apple ][.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UL7urMIB0G0

Re: There's only one Woz, but we can all learn from him

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Post by Imustaskforhelp »

mrexcess wrote: post #123
f1shy wrote: post #116

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As a person he didn’t want to recognize the daughter, if I remember correctly.

Everybody makes mistakes, and this is definitely a huge one to have made, and a sad aspect of his legacy, but if this is all you know about Steve Jobs, you don't know anything about Steve Jobs. He made up with Lisa - to the extent one can after all that - in the end. And he raised three other kids, after becoming older and wiser as a dad.

> Everybody makes mistakes, and this is definitely a huge one to have made, and a sad aspect of his legacy, but if this is all you know about Steve Jobs, you don't know anything about Steve Jobs.

> He made up with Lisa - to the extent one can after all that - in the end. And he raised three other kids, after becoming older and wiser as a dad.

So about this, I remember watching pirates of silicon valley when I was in 6th grade and this is something which troubles me from watching it (multiple times as it was the only offline movie I had so much so that I once gave a mini speech in class about steve jobs haha & one of my teachesrs started calling me steve jobs haha!)

But in the movie, I really didn't understand the rationale behind what he did to lisa. I mean iirc he did try to connect with her later but still, I just don't understand why he acted so harshly towards his mother when everything could've been going fine.

Like there were definitely plenty of moments in the movie where steve jobs wasn't the right guy. I really can't find the rationale behind some of the things.

I feel like I still don't know what to make of the whole situation regarding Steve jobs. but when you mentioned this comment, while reading it I imagined the point where Steve jobs offered Lisa a flower.

I remember this because many years after watching the movies, this youtube video came to my feed (I searched it again by just searching some PoSV related thing with lisa flower to find it)

What is the name of this music? (Motion Picture Score): [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wm7btLayRZ4]

And even the director of the movie commented in the comments of this video which was pinned!

As well as using a lot of 70's & 80's classic rock and roll classics appropriate to the era when Jobs and Woz were starting Apple, we also went for "sound-alikes" (for the Ella Fitzgerald number) and created some of our own music. This piece is one of those creations. There is no name for it that I'm aware of. Martyn Burke Director-Pirates of Silicon Valley

Re: There's only one Woz, but we can all learn from him

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Post by DonHopkins »

NetMageSCW wrote: post #105
volkercraig wrote: post #87

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Without the gnu projects, software would have remained in the domain of universities and industry. Distributing it for free and encapsulating it with an actual legal license was radical in and of itself, but the notion of being required to distribute source was even more radical. Without that, people don't learn to code outside of industry, people don't share ideas and software remains in corporate silos with no/low…

> outside of industry, people don't share ideas and software remains in corporate silos with no/low interoptability unless a business decides to form a strategic partnership. Computer science and computing was taught and done at universities long before Stallman and GNU came along. I was using C++ Release E at college before GNU started, provided by Bell Labs at no cost.

Even after Sun got a C++ compiler for free for internal use (but not by their customers) by jumping into bed with AT&T, they still hired Michael Tiemann of Cygnus Support to port G++ to Solaris.

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Post by apparent »

mrexcess wrote: post #121
hobs wrote: post #50

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Jobs fucked over a lot of people and respected the machines. Woz dealt with the machines and respected the people.

>Jobs fucked over a lot of people Oft repeated, and not untrue, but very incomplete. Jobs also made a lot of people. A lot of fortunes in SilVal only exist because of Steve Jobs. He also virtually single handedly and without much fanfare at the time or credit in the history books created the employee compensation model that came to define SilVal success, with workaday employees and especially engineering contributors…

I don't disagree with what you say, but I have literally never seen or heard "SilVal". Is this a common shorthand? I hear "the Valley" and see "SV" but never this halfcronym.

Re: There's only one Woz, but we can all learn from him

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Post by gtoubassi »

Hackers by Steven Levy is an incredible story of the industry’s early years (60-80’s) and the characters that were in it for the “love of the game” vs what is more common now (“status and money”). A lot of heroes like woz, but who are less well known in this day and age (Gosper and Greenblatt!). If you are familiar with and a fan of Dealers of Lightning or Dream Machine, check out Hackers! (this is not a paid endorsement).

Re: There's only one Woz, but we can all learn from him

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Post by caycep »

al_borland wrote: post #82
fuzzfactor wrote: post #71

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When you look at it squarely, Jobs could have sold any average product and made money, and Woz' product was so far above average it could have sold on its own (to a more limited extent), with each unit sold making money either way. Money would be made by each person regardless but this combination not only got more units to fly off the shelf, it got the company off to a more above-average likelihood of future product…

Woz took the Apple 1 to HP to see if they wanted it, since he was working there at the time. They passed on it. It seems Woz would have just kept working as an HP engineer and bringing designs to the homebrew computer club to give them away as a hobby. Jobs went on to start NeXT (which became modern Apple) and turned Pixar into a the studio that released Toy Story. Jobs wasn’t just a salesman, he was a serial entrepr…

And it's not always a sure thing. NeXT would have failed without Apple 2.0.
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