European Alternatives

Post by mixmastamyk » Fri, Jan 23, 2026, 6:41 PM UTC

jacquesm wrote: post #137

mixmastamyk wrote: post #133

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A few friends and I have thought similarly, although we focused on Apple first and the Google/Office suite second. We wrote our thoughts here: https://aol.codeberg.page/eci/ and the alternatives here: https://aol.codeberg.page/eci/status.html I personally don't think it makes a lot of sense for consumers or small business to have to wrangle dozens of IT providers. How can we consolidate them?

Excellent question and great to see you thinking in the same direction. Consolidation of various open source projects is underway with projects such as owncloud but it is still very fragile and hard to maintain. I think a pledge never to be bought out and a way to restrict stock to EU UBOs would be one step in the right direction, then you'll need a massive amount of capital to pull this off. But maybe the climate is…

Post by BenoitEssiambre » Fri, Jan 23, 2026, 6:47 PM UTC

s_dev wrote: post #142

BenoitEssiambre wrote: post #125

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Its founder lives in europe so there's that.

I think he means Hacker News rather than EU Alternatives.

Post by sodapopcan » Fri, Jan 23, 2026, 6:51 PM UTC

dpc050505 wrote: post #118

PlatoIsADisease wrote: post #55

Ugh, back to nationalism. I think there is some sort of Darwinistic reason for this. Maybe its inevitable. Not to say that the US didn't help spur this, but its just sad to see. When I was younger, I was such an idealist. Anarchy, open borders, free market open trade, pacifism. Even as Trump started getting aggressive, I kept trying to tell myself: "Well, these other countries surly know that most of the population d…

>One bad election, everyone knows it was influenced by Russia, no big deal. They know a sane person will be elected in a few years. You're at 2 out of 3, while Biden was mid at best and your senate has been horrendous for a very long time.

Post by kaffekaka » Fri, Jan 23, 2026, 6:53 PM UTC

gtirloni wrote: post #100

tene80i wrote: post #76

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But why? What's unsustainable about an email service, for example, run by competent European engineers at European salaries?

The huge influx of competent European engineers to the US is a real thing.

Post by nitwit005 » Fri, Jan 23, 2026, 6:54 PM UTC

pjmlp wrote: post #24

jimnotgym wrote: post #11

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I don't see the issue with Operating systems or programming languages. There are FOSS alternatives and since they are run locally have no connection outside of the EU. Hardware vendors is a different issue

You are missing the big picture who develops them, pays the salaries of people in the trenches, implement LSPs, and whatever else around the ecosystems. Example, Java, .NET, Go and co are FOSS, how long do you think they will keep on going without their overlords? For complete alternatives we need to go back to the cold war days, where programming languages were driven by vendor neutral standards, and there were seve…