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Can you give an analogous example for data science? I confess ignorance here, and always took the term at face value. Is the issue that "data science" tries to be agnostic about the source of the data? (I'm not claiming that that is true, just guessing)
Sure. There are many examples of data scientists attempting to use complex Machine Learning and Deep Learning models to predict machine (bearings, gears, etc.) failures from vibration data, where a simple Fourier Transform (FFT) provides a lot more insight and predictive powers about the same problem. However, spectrum analysis is not something that data scientists learn at school, yet every mechanical/electronics en…
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#142Design Thinking is the Data Science of UX: an attempt to gain influence in fields that you don't have expertise in. Even though there might be universal design principle that can be applied in many fields, the Design Thinking people think that they can just come in and design user interfaces, etc. without really having an expertise in the particular field. Design Thinking works for selling consulting and not much els…
First of - I don't know what circles you've been around, but I've not been in work collectives where either designers, UX-ers or data scientists try to insert themselves to do things instead of software engineers. If anything, in any collective I worked in, if a software engineer was to say a peep everyone would retreat like there's no tomorrow and thank god that they don't have to deal with it and the software engineer will.
Secondly - I think you are mistaking a structuring and outlining of a process with that being a mandate or an order to follow the process. When I work with software engineers, I expect them to be agile - not to follow an agile process, but to achieve the objectives of the agile manifesto - namely, to iterate ruthlessly, keep an eye on usage signals and lead with MVP's rather than over-design. Good software engineers do that, bad software engineers don't. Ultimately, I don't even judge software engineers by that - I judge them by the ability to produce results.
I think the implication of your thinking is that this is all nonsense because software engineers innately solve data science problems and design thinking problems when appropriate with appropriate methods - to which I'd reply - there's a shocking amount of software engineers who can't do anything with data and are useless in fitting a linear regression to predict something, let alone doing a Fourier transform - to which, presumably, your response would be "No true software engineer is like that". That's great, but it's not true in the real world. Same with design thinking - there's software engineers who just can't solve problems from first principles (but can, say, create a fail-proof CRUD app to automate a business process).
The real world is messy and full of people who can't structure their thoughts, or can't structure them in all domains at the least - and things like design thinking - or generalists who can be thrown at any data problem and produce something (i.e. data scientists) - are useful. They're not the best solution always, sure, and if they start being protective of territory - it's a problem - but in a normal collective that doesn't happen.
Basically - your objection can be boiled down to "generalists are shit, because they impose process on everyone, including people who understand the domain better" - which tells me more about the collectives you've worked in than the nature of those jobs. In every collective I've worked in, generalists are what you throw at an ambiguous problem to produce some results before you get domain specialists in.
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I think you’re doing situational awareness a disservice, and I’m guessing you’ve never worked in a field where it is a trained discipline. It is not just paying attention to your surroundings, it is actively scanning and evaluating to anticipate changes to your situation. Big difference between standing on a hill taking in the view versus keeping your head on a swivel, identify avenues of approach and egress, all whi…
Okay soldier, can you tell you are not alone in your own mind, and that American Thought Control is running an extortion racket on the United States Military? Can you tell Bannon looted the intelligence community and exposed the envelope of every clandestine military secret by getting Trump to gather all of those commanders into one room? You’re screwed and you don’t even know it.
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#144Design Thinking is the Data Science of UX: an attempt to gain influence in fields that you don't have expertise in. Even though there might be universal design principle that can be applied in many fields, the Design Thinking people think that they can just come in and design user interfaces, etc. without really having an expertise in the particular field. Design Thinking works for selling consulting and not much els…
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There's a funny example of even the "documentation" going wrong. At a local mall, there is a set of doors and they have put the word "PULL" (vertically like: P U L L ) on the window of the door, so from the wrong/opposite side, you still see the word "PULL" when you should PUSH (even if most of the letters are backward) so you still are tempted to take the wrong action when you see it. (I tried to explain the ridicul…
I've long suspected that I have a particular form of...dyslexia?, because I suffer from that Pull/Push thing, but also freeze when confronted with elevator door buttons that look like this: /><, and with public bathroom entrances, because in Spanish it's usually H/M (hombres/mujeres), but in English it's M/F (male/female), so the presence of the M throws me for a loop. My read on this is that if I see both options at…
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This isn't really a tasteful collection. It is just a bunch of popular books, all of which that I have read being about minimalism. If that's what you want you can just use Apple as a case study because that's what you end up getting if you want "modern" and minimal. Even just drop the CSS file from source into an LLM and go through how it is implemented.
Any suggestions are welcome. I would be happy to increase the quality of the library.
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#147I'm a dev and recently picked up "The Design of Everyday Things" as an attempt to become more design-oriented. Everyone raves about this being like the bible of design. So far I'm about 80 pages in and have found it extremely academic and not very practical, sometimes deriving conclusions that are so far from reality that they are a bit concerning, like how a strong password does not matter because once they inevitab…
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So your argument is don't use an off the shelf tool (5 stages) that gets the job done, build your own tool (10 or 3 or none) every time which likely doesn't offer any advantage over the standard tool? I don't think you really get either Design Thinking or Systems Thinking. What you are talking about here is not Systems Thinking, which is a particular approach to understanding complex problems by viewing everything as…
Let me summarize your chain of arguments up to this point: “I don't think you really get either Design Thinking or Systems Thinking” 1. In the strict sense of science, Design Thinking is not a methodology, whether you like it or not. Look it up. 2. If you have no more arguments to offer besides falling back to accusations again and again, then I'm afraid I can't take you seriously.
I am not referring to methodology "in the strict sense of science" indeed I don't know what "in the strict sense of science" is supposed to mean. I'm using the dictionary definition of methodology: "a body of methods, rules, and ideas that are important in a science, art, or discipline : a particular procedure or set of procedures."
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Let me summarize your chain of arguments up to this point: “I don't think you really get either Design Thinking or Systems Thinking” 1. In the strict sense of science, Design Thinking is not a methodology, whether you like it or not. Look it up. 2. If you have no more arguments to offer besides falling back to accusations again and again, then I'm afraid I can't take you seriously.
I'm not arguing anything here, I am trying to help you realize that you aren't talking about what you think you're talking about. I am not referring to methodology "in the strict sense of science" indeed I don't know what "in the strict sense of science" is supposed to mean. I'm using the dictionary definition of methodology: "a body of methods, rules, and ideas that are important in a science, art, or discipline : a…
Quite the opposite. You are now trying to reframe your accusations as help.
1. I surely didn’t ask for accusations nor for help with this. If I need any, I will let you know.
2. Your assessment of my situation is incorrect and as such I'm removing myself from this conversation now. But I want you to have the last word, so, go ahead.
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There are so many subsets of the theory and I have no idea what would interest you and what you already know. Have you seen this paper? https://www.researchgate.net/publication/220231906_The_Origi... It leans a bit more on the cybernetic side but gives an overview and has what is possibly equally important as the text itself: some 7 pages of references. I started with openly accessible academic papers instead of book…
Thanks for that paper! It looks like a good jumping off point. I am primarily interested in the cybernetics side (feedback loops, etc) but applied to social or economic systems, as well as the intersections with Deleuze and Guattari style process philosophy (looking at how every level of the social system, including individuals, is composed of nodes in a network of flows (of desire/memesis, knowledge, material resour…
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