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Re: Skip is now free and open source

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Post by msie »

agentifysh wrote: post #34

This is a welcome addition but why should Flutter devs use this ? Seems like it requires 32gb of ram! Also Flutter is already very mature and can produce not only near-native mobile apps (the difference is almost negligible) but can target desktop and even web applications. I do wonder how much of a boost skip offers vs Flutter's mobile apps. Will give skip a try when dram prices normalize.

Tried using Flutter a year ago to make a simple Mac app. I don't think it was ready at the time. Also poor documentation.

Re: Skip is now free and open source

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Post by bentocorp »

This is great news and hopefully makes SwiftUI more feasible as a long term cross-platform UI option.

What would be great is if Apple started working with and contributing to this toolset.

What would be even better is if Apple then open-sourced all (or at least some) of their SwiftUI implementations.

What would be amazing is the community can then takeover some of the issues in SwiftUI – especially on macOS – and help to make it more flexible, feature-rich and comparable to UI toolkits like AppKit.

A good, cross-platform, Swift-based UI toolkit would go a long way to ensuring increasing and enduring cross-platform Swift usage.

Re: Skip is now free and open source

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Post by andai »

OkayPhysicist wrote: post #91
nsm wrote: post #70

> The plain truth is that developers expect to get their tools free of charge. This is an accurate, but damning indictment of how some of the most highly paid workers on the planet won't pay for tools. Unlike nearly every other profession. Folks, if you can afford it, please pay for quality software, instead of relying on FAANG and VC money to keep the tools going!

The highest quality tools in the software development space tend to be FOSS, because unlike any other field, we are employed in the field that makes the tools our field uses, and distribution and manufacturing costs are zero. People build tools that they want to use, then share it with others because it's free to. If the rest of the economy worked like this we would be in full-blown utopia. Selling software to softwa…

> People build tools that they want to use, then share it with others because it's free to. If the rest of the economy worked like this we would be in full-blown utopia.

Post-AGI economics seems to bring cost of production and distribution very close to zero, so this may soon come to pass. Culture might need a minute to catch up though!

Re: Skip is now free and open source

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Post by eucyclos »

d0liver wrote: post #113
OkayPhysicist wrote: post #91

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The highest quality tools in the software development space tend to be FOSS, because unlike any other field, we are employed in the field that makes the tools our field uses, and distribution and manufacturing costs are zero. People build tools that they want to use, then share it with others because it's free to. If the rest of the economy worked like this we would be in full-blown utopia. Selling software to softwa…

> Manufacturing costs are zero No. The fact that you built something yourself doesn't make it free to produce. More over, you __won't__. You simply cannot build all of the things that you could buy at scale. What if you had to write all of your own video games? Or operating systems?

I think they mean cost of incremental units. 0->1 is much more expensive than 1->100 in software, unlike with things like lattes or houses

Re: Skip is now free and open source

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Post by schuylerlarson »

NamlchakKhandro wrote: post #108
holoduke wrote: post #88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well sorry. But Android UI is bad just bad. The settings, the menus. Its bloated and almost as if they deliberately made it annoying to use. It just sucks.

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It's a valid opinion. People can have opinions and also not be "in a cult." I would say this default response is rather cultish in its own right by your own use of the word.

Re: Skip is now free and open source

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Post by alt187 »

nsm wrote: post #70

> The plain truth is that developers expect to get their tools free of charge. This is an accurate, but damning indictment of how some of the most highly paid workers on the planet won't pay for tools. Unlike nearly every other profession. Folks, if you can afford it, please pay for quality software, instead of relying on FAANG and VC money to keep the tools going!

I love the lowkey vibe that if you want quality software, you either have to pay for it or wait for FAANG money.

Just ignore the most widely used operating system!

Re: Skip is now free and open source

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Post by billllll »

johnfn wrote: post #130
nsm wrote: post #70

> The plain truth is that developers expect to get their tools free of charge. This is an accurate, but damning indictment of how some of the most highly paid workers on the planet won't pay for tools. Unlike nearly every other profession. Folks, if you can afford it, please pay for quality software, instead of relying on FAANG and VC money to keep the tools going!

> some of the most highly paid workers on the planet won't pay for tools Aren't we in the middle of literally the entire industry adopting 200/mo AI subscriptions? It seems to me like engineers will absolutely pay for tools if they justify their value.

It's less a binary pay/no pay, and more the value of accessing the dev tools. If you consider the fact that AI companies are most likely losing money running the models, then AI tools are incredibly cheap - they're in some ways paying you to use it.

No model maker is going to try to generate a profit off users using their models, they're gonna try to generate it some other way - much like dev tools.

Re: Skip is now free and open source

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Post by winrid »

SoKamil wrote: post #101
winrid wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Flutter re-generates the entire layout every tick and diffs it (immediate-mode), like a game engine. If your device isn't quite fast enough it'll lag, yep. RN is retained mode (but written in immediate-mode style and the diffing only happens when it has to).

Interesting, I didn’t know that it was immediate mode. According to the article [1] though, it now uses rendering engine with Retained Mode due to performance issues. [1] https://medium.com/@0s.and.1s/flutter-part-iv-skia-vs-impell...

ah neat, so they rewrote the rendering engine in C++ and exposed it via Dart APIs, as opposed to everything being in Dart.

Re: Skip is now free and open source

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Post by itemize123 »

nsm wrote: post #70

> The plain truth is that developers expect to get their tools free of charge. This is an accurate, but damning indictment of how some of the most highly paid workers on the planet won't pay for tools. Unlike nearly every other profession. Folks, if you can afford it, please pay for quality software, instead of relying on FAANG and VC money to keep the tools going!

simply put - it should be a B2B biz, not a B2C. B2C is tough, B2C saas is even tougher

Re: Skip is now free and open source

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Post by [deleted] »

publicdebates wrote: post #16

> The plain truth is that developers expect to get their tools free of charge. I've run into this too with my own app. I thought people would like a Lua GUI framework that's professional grade and gives you full access to WinAPI via Lua. I was using DragonRuby as my model. So I wasted a thousand hours making the app and its documentation. Turns out, even after people understood what it was (I suck at marketing), ever…

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