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San Francisco to offer free childcare to people making up to $230k

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Re: San Francisco to offer free childcare to people making up to $230k

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post #104

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At some point you run out of other people’s money and have bread lines.

What? Bread lines are a response to poverty caused by a failure of the market and typically involve institutions giving out free bread using other people's money .

Could you expand more on how bread lines in Soviet Union were a failure of the market?

Re: San Francisco to offer free childcare to people making up to $230k

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post #48

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> Are they gonna shuttle the kids in and out of the city in order to provide said childcare? The city itself is tiny, this is not the metropolitan area of San Francisco, its just the city limits, so yeah people in suburbs will commute into the city to work there, just like most other people working in San Francisco.

There's also great (by American standards) public transit into/through the city. Caltrain and BART can get you into SF quickly from quite a large area nearby.

>great (by American standards)

Re: San Francisco to offer free childcare to people making up to $230k

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HN poster responds: "You have 0.18 kids under 6! That seems unlikely!"

Am i missing the joke? ChatGPT tells me 3% of 100 is 3, not 0.18.

>ChatGPT tells me 3% of 100 is 3

Sweet baby Jesus in his high chair.

Whatever happened to just firing up a calculator app that's already on the device you were using? Or bashing "100/3" into the search box in your OS or browser?

Do you ask ChatGPT how long to cook spaghetti instead of reading it off the package you just took the spaghetti out of? Honest question.

Re: San Francisco to offer free childcare to people making up to $230k

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post #130

Does anyone else feel like we are moving in the wrong direction? Like every discussion I’ve seen about childcare takes the 1950s as the baseline for some reason. Like being a housewife in the 1950s sucked and it was unfair that the women had to do it and the men didn’t have to. Like people don’t explicitly say this, but this is what it boils down to. And being a housewife in the 1950s (or 1970s or whatever) did suck.…

It sucked because society back then (and currently in some cultures) was structured in such a way that women were de facto forced into marriage and motherhood, even if they didn't want to do these things. Women couldn't open bank accounts or buy cars easily without their husbands present; consequently, leaving bad marriages was considered very risky, to say nothing of the social ostricization that would ensure. I tho…

Marriage is made up though, it’s a tool for structuring human groups that are a big jumble of individuals. In a clan structure you wouldn’t need marriage, necessarily, and “motherhood” would look entirely different from how it does today.

My point is that lots of women do reject what exists today for those, and the conservative reaction to this may be wrong. But just because the reaction is wrong doesn’t mean the “progress” is correct. We may be doing the wrong kind of progress, and the “conservatives” may be trying to conserve an overly recent and short lived model. They should instead be trying to conserve (or restore, really) a much older model, one that would resonate better with women and humans in general. IMO anyway.

And replies to me are all stuck in the modern progressive/conservative dialectic, which is not useful or interesting to discuss. We need to break out of that structure.

Re: San Francisco to offer free childcare to people making up to $230k

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My brother's two boys both had kids. One of them, his wife, was going to go back to work after giving birth but had horrible feelings and cried when she took the baby to daycare after maternity leave. She quit and now stays home taking care of her baby. The other boy, his wife, also cried and was torn between going back to a job she loved but felt incredibly guilty about leaving her newborn to daycare. She was fortun…

Sure, it does happen but it’s not the normal model. Every mother feels horrible and cries when they institutionalize their kids, western society is based on most people doing this regardless. It is not scalable to educate women for 20 years just to have them become stay at home moms, just as a single farmer today has 40.000 chickens etc.

Not scalable?! Where have you been the last few thousands of years?

Re: San Francisco to offer free childcare to people making up to $230k

#146
post #98

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Off topic: what are you trying to signal by saying chatgpt helped you with arithmetic here? Is it supposed to give more weight to what you are saying?

I read it as a side joke about how people overuse chtgpt for trivial tasks

I hope that's the case!

Re: San Francisco to offer free childcare to people making up to $230k

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post #136

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I don’t understand the boosters saying BART and Caltrain are good systems. When I lived there, and part of the reason I left, those systems were frequently delayed, full of drug addicts, and they lacked comprehensive service throughout SF, requiring dependence on Muni, which is worse than the other 2. I don’t think those who say this is a great system have been exposed to how other places in the world handle these th…

I've never experienced any of these on Caltrain in the last ~10 years, for what it's worth.

Really? You haven't seen frequent delays in the last decade?

Not even for the (sadly) semi-regular pedestrian fatalities that happen once or twice a month? Those usually delay trains for over an hour.

Caltrain's own reports say there are hundreds of late trains every month.

Re: San Francisco to offer free childcare to people making up to $230k

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Housing is expensive because of lack of housing supply and because of high housing demand because of both soft (non-finance-driven) desirability conditions and a sufficient concentration of very-high-income, price insensitive buyers on prices. Everything else is so expensive because of the second of those reasons, plus everyone having higher salary demands because of high housing prices. Increasing housing supply can…

Housing is expensive because homeowners have weaponized zoning laws to make it illegal to build housing the city needs.

Sadly, in San Francisco, renters have been even more NIMBY than homeowners.

https://www.mhankinson.com/documents/renters_preprint.pdf

Re: San Francisco to offer free childcare to people making up to $230k

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HN poster responds: "You have 0.18 kids under 6! That seems unlikely!"

Am i missing the joke? ChatGPT tells me 3% of 100 is 3, not 0.18.

> ChatGPT tells me 3% of 100 is 3,

FYI: % (percent) literally means "out of a hundred".

Re: San Francisco to offer free childcare to people making up to $230k

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post #136

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I don’t understand the boosters saying BART and Caltrain are good systems. When I lived there, and part of the reason I left, those systems were frequently delayed, full of drug addicts, and they lacked comprehensive service throughout SF, requiring dependence on Muni, which is worse than the other 2. I don’t think those who say this is a great system have been exposed to how other places in the world handle these th…

I've never experienced any of these on Caltrain in the last ~10 years, for what it's worth.

Maybe you were the drug addict?
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