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‘ELITE’: The Palantir app ICE uses to find neighborhoods to raid

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Post by ambicapter »

dabinat wrote: post #93
0xWTF wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Palantir also supports folks like CDC's DCIPHER https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/cdc-and-palantir-pa... When it's a government system, your issue is not really with the vendor, your issue is with the policymakers.

Sorry, but Palantir doesn’t get off that easy. They know full well how their technology is used. Just because a market exists that doesn’t mean you need to fill it. The tech industry could have taken a moral stand like the chemical industry did with execution drugs.

If you watch any entrepreneur-focused channels, the entire premise of Palantir was "what if we just didn't care about what people think is ethically dubious? What if we went into business in all the places that people have traditionally shied away from for moral reasons?" It's part of Thiel's "Monopoly is good/You want to build the 0 to 1, not jump into a crowded market" mantra.

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Post by palmotea »

idle_zealot wrote: post #34
bradley13 wrote: post #22

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1) You don't deport them, you don't ignore them, you document them. Then you let them live their lives. They're people, not a mold outgrowth that needs culling. 2) Check those stats a bit more closely. The vast majority of "deportations" were people turned away at the border.

> 1) You don't deport them, you don't ignore them, you document them. Then you let them live their lives. They're people, not a mold outgrowth that needs culling.

I don't think that's a policy that would get majoritarian support in the US. The only people who can and should get deported are those who are not already not authorized to be here. If you don't deport them, it's functionally equivalent to an open-borders policy. Do you want more MAGA? Because open-borders is how you get more MAGA.

What you're proposing is also roughly analogous to a policy of not evicting squatters. If someone breaks into your house and decides to start living in one of your bedrooms, are you going to want them out or give them a key? The squatter is a person too, not a mold outgrowth that needs culling.

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Post by altruios »

cheese4242 wrote: post #118
wat10000 wrote: post #115

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Internal bleeding? Where do you get this nonsense? I keep seeing completely imaginary "facts" parroted about this case and I really want to know where they come from.

Happy to share: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/ice-officer-who-shot-renee-good...

'officials say' anything now-a-days... What a trustworthy time to be alive. /s

No. Wheels were turned away from the gestapo, gestapo was not hurt, gestapo is lying about injuries.

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Post by kevinsundar »

cheese4242 wrote: post #139
kevinsundar wrote: post #131

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It’s kinda funny that conservatives don’t have the ability to think for themselves and rather just repeat what others tell them. Internal bleeding = a bruise

So you agree he was struck by the vehicle?

So you think there no other way in the world that ice agent would have a bruise? Is there any proof the bruise was from this incident? Did he have any bruises before from any other ice activity?

They are grabbing people day in and day out.

Again, think.

This was the same incident where the administration said they guy was fighting for his life after being struck by the car however:

“Eventually, the agent who shot the motorist approaches the vehicle. Seconds later, he turns back around and tells his colleagues to call 911. Agents blocked several bystanders who attempt to provide medical care, including one who identifies himself as a physician. At the same time, several agents, including the agent who opened fire, get in their vehicles and drive off, apparently altering the active crime scene.”

Think for yourself.

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Post by SaltyBackendGuy »

stronglikedan wrote: post #124
shevy-java wrote: post #42

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It is a de-facto corporate state right now. Everyone in the current government tries to see how much money they can steal.

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> Trump has been the only one that the corporations couldn't buy

Hasn't he accepted donations from many mega corporations? My assumption is that a corporation wont donate money, without the expectation of ROI.

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Post by smokel »

periodjet wrote: post #134

Why have we all lost the ability to think in a nuanced way? It’s very disturbing to witness, particularly on a forum like HN, ostensibly populated by smart people. It’s possible to simultaneously believe that ICE has a clear and ethical mandate while also believing that they are going about fulfilling that mandate via bad methods that need to change. It’s possible to simultaneously believe that people shouldn’t be ma…

The core issue is not that people cannot think with nuance, but that nuance is costly and poorly rewarded.

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Post by ambicapter »

commandlinefan wrote: post #120
buffington wrote: post #117

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> Every time I read about them arresting somebody... You're clearly not reading enough and are a part of the problem if you believe what you're saying to be true.

I'm not 100% sure what to believe, but I have been around long enough to take everything I read with a grain of salt.

Gonna need more than a grain these days.

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Post by fudged71 »

To tech leaders and hiring managers at other companies: If you're reading this, please consider publicly stating that your company will interview Palantir engineers who want to exit on moral grounds. Create an explicit off-ramp. Lower the barrier to leaving. Make it a tech industry norm that we offer refuge to engineers trying to do the right thing.
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