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The struggle of resizing windows on macOS Tahoe

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Re: The struggle of resizing windows on macOS Tahoe

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Post by zokier »

nextos wrote: post #40
nntwozz wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not to beat on my own drum but as a mac convert from the days of Tiger I saw the writing on the wall from miles away. Still on iOS 18 and macOS 15 (Sequoia). I was a day one upgrader up until now, never had any regrets but this time things seemed very different. It's worrisome but all is not lost, I'll start sweating for real if next year's releases don't improve things substantially.

The Tiger to Snow Leopard era was fantastic. Things were simple and worked. There was also a great boutique apps ecosystem. Right now, it seems that macOS is going through its enshittification phase, sadly.

I think also that Snow Leopard era (unibody) MacBook Pro design was peak Mac. It was really full-featured while also having clean intentional design.

Re: The struggle of resizing windows on macOS Tahoe

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Post by napierzaza »

signal11 wrote: post #9

Tahoe is a macOS mis-step on par with Windows 8 or Windows Vista. If you’re from Apple and reading this, my feedback is pretty succinct: “I don’t recommend others upgrade. I wish I didn’t.” Luckily for Apple, Windows 11 is not exactly in a position to attract switchers. Let’s see if Apple can turn things around. iOS 8+ did improve on iOS 7’s worst bits.

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Re: The struggle of resizing windows on macOS Tahoe

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Post by valleyer »

trollbridge wrote: post #105
jazzyjackson wrote: post #79

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> "I wish I didn’t.” Can't you do a factory reset/recovery on Mac that lands on the version of macos shipped with the device? Then you could re-upgrade to the os you wanted, without trying it it seems Sequoia is still available in the app store

Yes, you can install any version of macOS that was ever supported for your Mac. (It’s been a long time since they used System Enablers.) I’m so frustrated with Tahoe that I’m about to do this.

But you cannot, in general, migrate your data backwards. Apple's system apps will upgrade their data stores forward only. This isn't a problem if you are willing to e.g. re-download all of your (Mail.app) mail.

Re: The struggle of resizing windows on macOS Tahoe

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Post by dajt »

rajivjain wrote: post #103

My biggest peeve with macOS Tahoe is the App Launcher redesign. It seems like a clear regression in usability. By moving from a high-density, full-screen experience to a constrained, scrolling window, they’ve increased the interaction cost for launching apps via the mouse. It feels like a 'unification tax. Sacrificing desktop utility to align with non-Desktop modalilties. Does anyone see a functional upside here, or…

I was shocked when I first hit this. I'm also confused as to why the settings app constrains the window size but I think it did that in the previous version too - not a justification!

I complained about it to a team mate and he thought it was fine and I was weird for using the app launcher and not cmd-space. Although on Windows I always use win-r to run stuff.

Tahoe UI changes and LG are such a mistake and Apple being Apple will probably just double down on it.

Re: The struggle of resizing windows on macOS Tahoe

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Post by valleyer »

torben-friis wrote: post #116
kristopolous wrote: post #51

I swear, this reign of visual artists as dictators has to stop. I'm sure people noticed this issue internally and brought it up but some thing by some designer was seen as biblically sacred and overruled all reason. I've been at companies were you get severely punished... sometimes fired for subordination for fixing an obviously broken spec by a designer emperor. It's normal to be "I guess 2+2=5 here, whatever" as if…

>I swear, this reign of visual artists as dictators has to stop. Visual artists and graphic/ux designers weren’t exactly claiming for Tahoe either.

The point is that Apple's own design team was.

Re: The struggle of resizing windows on macOS Tahoe

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Post by duskwuff »

OGEnthusiast wrote: post #101
duskwuff wrote: post #64

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macOS has Cmd + Ctrl + drag to move windows. Alt + drag seems unlikely given that it's already often used for "copy" actions.

I just tried that on Tahoe (26.2) and it didn't drag the window with Ctrl+Cmd+drag. Is it supposed to work on all windows?

Oddly, the one thing it doesn't work on for me is the main area of the System Preferences window. Everything else I've tried seems to work, though.

Re: The struggle of resizing windows on macOS Tahoe

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Post by rectang »

1over137 wrote: post #54
lateforwork wrote: post #41

This behavior is similar to Windows 11. You have to position the mouse just outside the window. It is non-intuitive and awful. These are problems humanity solved over 35 years ago (see NeXTSTEP). Why are these designers breaking basic features that worked for over 35 years?

History always repeats itself. The young generation always thinks the old generation was rubbish and they have nothing to learn from them and can do better.

And the elder generation is always convinced that the young generation is degenerate, incompetent, and destined for ruin.

Re: The struggle of resizing windows on macOS Tahoe

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Post by tuckerman »

Mistletoe wrote: post #137
jdejean wrote: post #128

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Tahoe is uniquely bad in so many ways, so I tried the Asahi Fedora Remix with Gnome on my M2 Mac Mini. Aesthetically I was more attracted to Gnome, it feels like what we lost with Tahoe. Tahoe to me feels like a really chopped Android skin or something. I made it a few weeks on the Fedora Remix but ended up having to switch back to Mac over missing webcam drivers and other random hardware issues. Plus there’s little…

>ended up having to switch back to Mac over missing webcam drivers and other random hardware issues This has been my experience every time I try Linux. If I had to guess, tracing down all these little things is just that last mile that is so hard and isn't the fun stuff to do in making an OS, which is why it is always ignored. If Linux ever did it, it would keep me.

I think this is true with an arm mac (and would be tricky to fix that, props to the Asahi folks for doing so much) but for a lot of other hardware (recent dell/asus/lenovo, framework, byo desktops) I find Linux complete. I'm sure there is hardware out there that with struggles but I've not had to deal with any issues for a few years now myself.

Re: The struggle of resizing windows on macOS Tahoe

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Post by zokier »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #94
nextos wrote: post #40

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The Tiger to Snow Leopard era was fantastic. Things were simple and worked. There was also a great boutique apps ecosystem. Right now, it seems that macOS is going through its enshittification phase, sadly.

> Tiger to Snow Leopard era was fantastic. Things were simple and worked Was it also great for developers? (Genuine question.)

I'm not mac dev but wasn't apple all in on objc back then and these days it's more swift? that is pretty big shift, I'd assume for the better for most parts.
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