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Do not mistake a resilient global economy for populist success

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Re: Do not mistake a resilient global economy for populist success

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post #133

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Google etc may be a US based company, but they can leverage emerging markets just fine. There’s a stronger argument to be made for small caps, but stock buybacks allow any company’s stock to effectively experience exponential growth even with flat earnings. IE there’s little long term difference between buying back 2% a stock every year and ~2% actual growth every year assuming you never hold the majority of shares.…

> Google etc may be a US based company, but they can leverage emerging markets just fine. Not sure what are you trying to say.

You’re buying stock in a company not a market, and a company doesn’t need to be based in a country to profit from that country.

Plenty of companies listed on foreign exchanges make the majority of their money from the US market etc.

Re: Do not mistake a resilient global economy for populist success

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You've reminded me of the forest fire simulator[0], there's a potential second dynamic how reducing the occurrence of negative events might also increase their impact when they do eventually occur

Reduce lightning strikes and increase rate of tree growth, no idea if it applies here as much?

Black swan[1] talks about this and the housing crisis was a significant event, but you can make an argument against this position as well

-[0]: https://www.veritasium.com/simulation5

-[1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Black_Swan:_The_Impact_of_...

Re: Do not mistake a resilient global economy for populist success

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Unless you can demonstrate that there is in fact an AI bubble, that is simply begging the question. Notice how the term “housing bubble” is used much less frequently today than 10 years ago? That’s because that so-called bubble has been ballooning in size for three decades now, and almost nobody still believes that it will “burst” in any meaningful sense. The Dotcom bubble was in many ways an outlier.

There are a few noticeable differences between housing as an asset and AI datacenters. Beyond the obvious difference that a house has a depreciation in the order of decades, whereas AI GPUs are a few years. Then there is the fact that housing is a fundamental human need whereas AI, as frequently demonstrated, isn‘t even a want by many people. I am not saying that AI cannot demonstrate todays value 20 years into the f…

> a house has a depreciation in the order of decades, whereas AI GPUs are a few years.

That’s no longer true for datacenter-class GPUs. The A100 came out six years ago, and it still sells for $15k+, with no meaningful drop in the foreseeable future.

Re: Do not mistake a resilient global economy for populist success

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> even a decrease in GDP could result in most people being better off if it occurred because of wealth redistribution Which mechanisms exist to redistribute wealth fairly?

What's your subjective definition of fair?

Whoever wants to redistribute wealth would have to decide that.

Re: Do not mistake a resilient global economy for populist success

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post #31

I find the S&P500 to be interesting as a demonstration for currency risk. Denoted in US, it went up ~18% or so. For me as an EUR investor, it went up just 4.6% when accounting for the loss of the USD. Comparing that to indicies that usually do not perform that well, Euro Stoxx 50 is up ~22% and MSCI Emerging Markets ~21%.

I noticed this as well. I haven’t found a good cure for this other than diversifying globally.

I could be misunderstanding this, but you know that you can buy ETFs that are currency hedged?

Taking Vanguard for example, VGS is global equities, but VGAD is global equities that are AUD-hedged (my home country).

The only downside is that you pay more in fees (and they're less tax efficient). People generally don't bother with it though, because on a long enough time-line currencies usually revert to their long-term average, so if you're holding for retirement there's generally little point.

Re: Do not mistake a resilient global economy for populist success

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I find the S&P500 to be interesting as a demonstration for currency risk. Denoted in US, it went up ~18% or so. For me as an EUR investor, it went up just 4.6% when accounting for the loss of the USD. Comparing that to indicies that usually do not perform that well, Euro Stoxx 50 is up ~22% and MSCI Emerging Markets ~21%.

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Re: Do not mistake a resilient global economy for populist success

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What is a good measure of meaningful growth? Genuinely asking. I imagine all measures have pros and cons.

I said meaningful measure of economic health, not growth. :-) But I'm not sure. The book "Mismeasuring our lives" gives five recommendations for developing improved measures: 1. Look at income and consumption rather than production 2. Consider income and consumption jointly with wealth 3. Emphasize the household perspective (with this they seem to be focusing on more meaningful measurement of in-kind services and int…

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Re: Do not mistake a resilient global economy for populist success

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post #126

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It shows you that, but it also shows you the success of propaganda.

Yes, that is the other side of the coin, that people are not just attracted to change because of loss of faith in the mainstream, but actually going over to support the populists. And this is not aimed at you, but I do see all too often that people in the more mainstream spaces look at that side of the coin exclusively. "They're supporting reform because they're racist/stupid/brainwashed/propagandised". Sure, sure, t…

And those two effects feed off each other in a way that either one of them could never accomplish, the 'sum' (or rather the difference or negative sum) is much larger than those parts individually.

Re: Do not mistake a resilient global economy for populist success

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Protectionism is failing to revive manufacturing Yes. The rare earths situation is embarrassing. This has been a political football for years now, but the efforts to fix it aren't working very well. First, you need a mine site and a mine. The US has a big one at Mountain Pass, California, and it's producing. But in the past twenty years, it's gone bankrupt twice and has been through three owners, because there were a…

why go to the trouble of building and maintaining mines in your expensive western country if you can just take all the minerals from african mines, while also getting the profits of these mines. no worries about salaries, no one cares when workers die by the dozens, ...

Because Africa produces a very small percentage of rare earths in mines, and basically 0 in separation, refining, and production of rare-earth components.
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