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Everyone hates OneDrive, Microsofts cloud app that steals and deletes files

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Re: Everyone hates OneDrive, Microsofts cloud app that steals and deletes files

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Post by OptionOfT »

It's interesting because on one hand there are posts like this were most people agree, and then there are posts about LLMs how they can one-shot a Windows application.

I think they're related. Software Engineering is about enumerating these edge cases and dealing with them. That requires skill.

Vibe-coding, or even prompting for larger chunks of code doesn't force you to enumerate these edge-cases.

And I firmly believe that reviewing the code for those edge-cases is harder than writing it yourself, as by nature you have to work backwards. You've arrived at a place, and you need to find out which routes were taken, and whether those routes are correct. Guardrails, snow-chain warnings, slope % warnings etc.

When you've arrived at the place it's easy to say: eh, whatever. We got here. Ship it. Especially with the push from above these days to go faster.

Re: Everyone hates OneDrive, Microsofts cloud app that steals and deletes files

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Post by CWuestefeld »

adastra22 wrote: post #126
CWuestefeld wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Gaming is a smaller thing for me than the Adobe creative apps, especially Lightroom. Granted, I could get that on Macintosh. But while their fans like to claim that Apple's engineering is all about usability, that hasn't been true for quite some time. It's now become a status/elitism thing (see, e.g., yesterday's conversation about Tahoe icons). And their UX model is very contrary to my way of thinking about things.

Apple has a lot of failings recently. But macOS still has far more claim to “usability” than Windows!

I strongly disagree, but de gustibus non disputandum

Re: Everyone hates OneDrive, Microsofts cloud app that steals and deletes files

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Post by tracker1 »

moontear wrote: post #97
snielson wrote: post #57

I love OneDrive. I don't know why everyone hates it. I save things in OneDrive, and they are backed up to the cloud and synced with the other computers I use. Some computers are shared by six family members, each with their own MS account and 1TB of storage. OneDrive makes it so the computers can have a 1TB hard drive but still give everyone ready access to their files by not storing them all on the hard drive. If I…

Wholeheartedly agreed. Also the OneDrive Backup feature is great - previously people had to rely on other services (Box, Dropbox) and remember to save stuff into those folders. Now your most important Documents folder is saved in the cloud. Great. Backup! I don't think that OneDrive pestering you about buying more storage after using up your free storage is a bad thing, somebody needs to pay for stuff. I understand t…

I prefer the Dropbox solution, and tend to configure OneDrive, Google Drive, etc the same... I like to be explicit about it... I don't want all my general docs sync'd, for that matter, most of my projects are in a git repo anyway.

I know my Documents/Pictures directory isn't sync'd, I don't want it to be... to me my workspace is far different than what I want backed up to the cloud... I also have a local nas that is also setup for cloud sync for my service accounts. I emphatically do NOT want system default workspace directories sync'd.

Re: Everyone hates OneDrive, Microsofts cloud app that steals and deletes files

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Post by anonymousiam »

xboxnolifes wrote: post #120
xyproto wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How many games do you use on Windows that you can not use on Linux?

Battlefield, Call of Duty, Apex Legends, PUBG, Rainbow 6 Siege, Fortnite, Valorant, League of Legends, Teamfight Tactics, GTA5 online (and likely gta6 online). Personally, only TFT is a blocker for me, and you can get an inferior version working on linux, but it only takes you playing one of those games for it to be a blocker.

How many of these will not run under Wine/Crossover/Hangover?

My guess is that most DRM'ed games won't work right, but they often don't work right under Windows either.

Re: Everyone hates OneDrive, Microsofts cloud app that steals and deletes files

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Post by p_ing »

pjc50 wrote: post #15
p_ing wrote: post #3

One user's stupidity becomes Internet bait for something that's saved so, so much time. I remember playing the backup & restore game when rebuilding my PC, which I just happened to do last night as I received a new SSD. I didn't have to worry about documents and thanks to a separate volume, redownloading my Steam library, either. That was a massive time save. And it didn't have to be OneDrive, it could have been any…

Keeping things in onedrive is fine if you want. What was not fine was moving files there without user informed consent.

There are plenty of prompts, nay, ads, about OneDrive before this ever happens. OneDrive also has a long file history.

The user fucked up. Sadly HN even gobbles this shit up with no thought.

Re: Everyone hates OneDrive, Microsofts cloud app that steals and deletes files

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Post by CWuestefeld »

Zambyte wrote: post #125
CWuestefeld wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Gaming is a smaller thing for me than the Adobe creative apps, especially Lightroom. Granted, I could get that on Macintosh. But while their fans like to claim that Apple's engineering is all about usability, that hasn't been true for quite some time. It's now become a status/elitism thing (see, e.g., yesterday's conversation about Tahoe icons). And their UX model is very contrary to my way of thinking about things.

Unless you need compatibility with Adobe file formats, Free editing software works fine too. I've been using Darktable for about a decade. People bash on GIMP for not being able to do what Photoshop can, but it's because GIMP is built with the intent of being extended by the user. It can be extended to do what people complain that it cannot do. Kdenlive is good at filling the needs met by Premiere. I think the hardes…

I strongly disagree. Have you used Lightroom in the last, say, two years?

They've had a revolutionary upgrade in their masking tools. ML models power automated, smart mask creation. For example, on a landscape photo I can get, with just a couple of clicks, separate masks for sky, water, land, foliage, structures, and natural ground. The power that this gives me to edit my photos is amazing. To the best of my knowledge, Darktable and others have nothing approaching this.

Re: Everyone hates OneDrive, Microsofts cloud app that steals and deletes files

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Post by tracker1 »

dartharva wrote: post #134
snielson wrote: post #57

I love OneDrive. I don't know why everyone hates it. I save things in OneDrive, and they are backed up to the cloud and synced with the other computers I use. Some computers are shared by six family members, each with their own MS account and 1TB of storage. OneDrive makes it so the computers can have a 1TB hard drive but still give everyone ready access to their files by not storing them all on the hard drive. If I…

The problem is Microsoft shoving it down our throats and making saving to local FS as cumbersome as possible. I wouldn't have minded Onedrive, in fact I would have used it a lot more, if it just showed up as an external mounted drive in Explorer where I could just paste files and folders I want shared or backed up. But nope, Microsoft in their infinite wisdom just have to sync up my entire home directory by default a…

Agreed, I'd even be more inclined to use the Web versions, which are inherently tethered to OneDrive in Linux if the boundaries were better respected... I want an explicit spot backed up, maybe with the option to sync other directories. I don't want to be tricked or forced into it... or see a windows update change the configuration on me.

Re: Everyone hates OneDrive, Microsofts cloud app that steals and deletes files

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Post by apexalpha »

Every time I need to add my file and send it out I manually download it first.

The shenanigans that happen when you 'link' to files, or not, from Teams to Outlook to Sharepoint is beyond me.

They also constantly sneak it into Word. If you don't pay close attention they suddenly save your local file to some Cloud Desktop folder.

Re: Everyone hates OneDrive, Microsofts cloud app that steals and deletes files

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Post by catapart »

JTbane wrote: post #137
catapart wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Posting this here, hoping desperately for someone to give me an example proving I'm wrong: It's insane to me that there isn't a simple, GUI-based app that provides this utility in a clean, straightforward way. Basically just "dropbox, but let me set the destination to another drive on my PC/network/VPN (or a 'repo', for 'advanced' users)". Just a plain interface that shows me my files and allows me to say "I want thi…

Would Syncthing fulfill your requirements?

I think it might! Definitely checks enough boxes for me to try out, anyway.

The UI is a little cumbersome for me, personally, but it does seem at least straightforward enough for me to understand what the intentions are.

ETA: Welp, that didn't last long. A service running in the background that exposes an "insecure" url for a browser to then open as the only means for GUI interaction with the app is not a great recommendation for everyday users. It looks like it has all the features, but I'm looking for a user experience. CLIs provide the features. I'd like an app, not a service running a webserver. Shudder the thought of just shoving the front end in an electron app, but even that would be better than this for casual users.

Re: Everyone hates OneDrive, Microsofts cloud app that steals and deletes files

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Post by apexalpha »

snielson wrote: post #57

I love OneDrive. I don't know why everyone hates it. I save things in OneDrive, and they are backed up to the cloud and synced with the other computers I use. Some computers are shared by six family members, each with their own MS account and 1TB of storage. OneDrive makes it so the computers can have a 1TB hard drive but still give everyone ready access to their files by not storing them all on the hard drive. If I…

OneDrive on Windows with 6 users is probably fine.

Try adding Teams, Sharepoint and 9000 more people in the mix.

Oh and MS Office that will try to force it on you.

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