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All AI Videos Are Harmful (2025)

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Re: All AI Videos Are Harmful (2025)

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Post by leptons »

quantummagic wrote: post #47
SunshineTheCat wrote: post #6

One of the arguments I keep seeing from people churning out AI video is that the tech is enabling people "creative freedom" that's been made possible now even without the technical know how. However, 99% of the the "creativity" from what I've seen is done by the AI (how it should look, where the cuts need to happen, the tone, color grading, etc). Which is to say, it's taken from other people's (creative) work. While…

If you're correct, creative people have nothing to worry about then. Creative people will still stand out and have a role. But the world already has an oversupply of creativity, and a need for a lot more of boring, uncreative things. A plumber, mechanic, or programmer, all need minimal creativity -- 99% perspiration, and 1% inspiration, as they say.

> A plumber, mechanic, or programmer, all need minimal creativity

I really have to take issue with this statement.

Re: All AI Videos Are Harmful (2025)

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Post by dogprez »

I'm not trying to detract from the OP's point but if the author turned the lens they are using to evaluate whether AI videos are harmful or not onto the videos one usually encountered on the internet pre-AI videos, I think they would find most internet videos are harmful by those same metrics. It's propaganda, rage-baiting, trying to manipulate you into buying something, etc. It's no wonder that's the sort of content we see being generated.

Re: All AI Videos Are Harmful (2025)

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Post by SunshineTheCat »

simianwords wrote: post #44
SunshineTheCat wrote: post #6

One of the arguments I keep seeing from people churning out AI video is that the tech is enabling people "creative freedom" that's been made possible now even without the technical know how. However, 99% of the the "creativity" from what I've seen is done by the AI (how it should look, where the cuts need to happen, the tone, color grading, etc). Which is to say, it's taken from other people's (creative) work. While…

>However, 99% of the the "creativity" from what I've seen is done by the AI (how it should look, where the cuts need to happen, the tone, color grading, etc). Which is to say, it's taken from other people's (creative) work. I don't get why this is a big deal? Like 99% of the creativity of taking a video of an ocean is also just taken from the nature. Your creativity was actually a small portion of "information" out o…

This is like saying:

"99% of the creativity of baking is done by the wheat growing in nature. Your creativity of "baking" was a small portion of what was required to make that pastry."

Re: All AI Videos Are Harmful (2025)

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Post by YurgenJurgensen »

AlexandrB wrote: post #87
chrsw wrote: post #15

AI generated videos are being used in more and more ads. To cut costs I’m sure. The result is that ads that were just annoying are now terrible and jarring. When I hear talk about AI risks I mostly hear things like runaway super intelligence doing whatever it wants and leaving humanity in the lurch. But what about more realistic concerns, like accelerating the race to the bottom by cheaply and poorly ripping off othe…

This is a weird complaint because ads have always been a curse on the world; they've always been "slop". The worst part about AI ads is that they're ads.

War predates human history, and the worst thing about chemical warfare is that it’s warfare; therefore there is no need to ban chemical weapons.

Re: All AI Videos Are Harmful (2025)

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Post by elsjaako »

ggrantrowberry wrote: post #59
pelotron wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I was involved in a conversation about cheating in video games the other day, and the topic shifted to AI use in music. Someone said, "using AI is like using an aimbot for music." I absolutely love that comparison since it highlights the shortcut past creativity/skill to get a computerized best result while also associating it with blatant cheating. The "enables creativity" argument is ironic since the root of the wo…

I disagree. The point of playing a shooter game is to have fun and be competitive while abiding by the rules of the game. Using aimbot is circumventing the whole purpose. The purpose of making music is to make music. So why does it matter what tool you use to do it? Because tools like Logic or Garageband can create lots of sounds for you is that removing creativity? Really shouldn’t music be recorded with a live band…

I agree. My problem with AI produced media is that a lot of the things I've seen are really bad. If someone uses AI, but has taste and takes the time to curate and fix the output, then the output can be fine.

Just like with digital effects in movies, plastic surgery, and makeup - if it's done well, there's a good chance I didn't even notice it. If it's clearly noticeable, it's often because it's not done well.

I think you can compare to another "uncreative" way of making music: sampling. The way the Timelords do it in "Doctorin' the Tardis" is pretty terrible (in their case on purpose, I believe). There are plenty of hip hop examples where I think musically not much is added to the music, but the lyrics and maybe the act do add a lot. And then there are bands like Daft Punk that will chop up and recontextualize the samples to the point that it's clearly a completely new thing.

Re: All AI Videos Are Harmful (2025)

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Post by lifetimerubyist »

simianwords wrote: post #42
chrsw wrote: post #15

AI generated videos are being used in more and more ads. To cut costs I’m sure. The result is that ads that were just annoying are now terrible and jarring. When I hear talk about AI risks I mostly hear things like runaway super intelligence doing whatever it wants and leaving humanity in the lurch. But what about more realistic concerns, like accelerating the race to the bottom by cheaply and poorly ripping off othe…

i don't get this "race to the bottom", "to cut costs".. like isn't that a good thing? your things will get cheaper if the cost required to market them reduces.

Yeah I don't care how cheap/expensive Coca-Cola is.

I care how expensive ram and gpus are though and this ain't helping.

Re: All AI Videos Are Harmful (2025)

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Post by odyssey7 »

pelotron wrote: post #21
SunshineTheCat wrote: post #6

One of the arguments I keep seeing from people churning out AI video is that the tech is enabling people "creative freedom" that's been made possible now even without the technical know how. However, 99% of the the "creativity" from what I've seen is done by the AI (how it should look, where the cuts need to happen, the tone, color grading, etc). Which is to say, it's taken from other people's (creative) work. While…

I was involved in a conversation about cheating in video games the other day, and the topic shifted to AI use in music. Someone said, "using AI is like using an aimbot for music." I absolutely love that comparison since it highlights the shortcut past creativity/skill to get a computerized best result while also associating it with blatant cheating. The "enables creativity" argument is ironic since the root of the wo…

The long history of art shows a story of technology developments and how artists have creatively applied them as new techniques and mediums.

Is AI music today able to emulate what a brilliant human artist does? Not really. But is it something that artists can leverage creatively? Absolutely.

Re: All AI Videos Are Harmful (2025)

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Post by s1mon »

All? Yes, there's a lot of garbage and outright dangerous, malicious stuff out there, but there's also moving art. It may take a while to drown out the stupid and evil stuff, but there are examples that amaze me:

https://www.youtube.com/@kellyeld2323/videos

https://www.youtube.com/@alffx123/videos

Re: All AI Videos Are Harmful (2025)

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Post by camillomiller »

s1mon wrote: post #148

All? Yes, there's a lot of garbage and outright dangerous, malicious stuff out there, but there's also moving art. It may take a while to drown out the stupid and evil stuff, but there are examples that amaze me: https://www.youtube.com/@kellyeld2323/videos https://www.youtube.com/@alffx123/videos

Artistically not relevant enough to justify the downsides

Re: All AI Videos Are Harmful (2025)

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Post by vanviegen »

Tallain wrote: post #88
narcindin wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We call them DJ's and many are quite famous.

Do you honestly believe that DJs, particularly the very famous ones, just play CDs?

I think many of them don't even do that live anymore, as the entire set has been mixed upfront in order to preprogram visual/light/pyro effects. :-)
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