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Re: ICE is using facial-recognition technology to quickly arrest people

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Post by mktk1001 »

15155 wrote: post #127
bakies wrote: post #123

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They pay into social security when they have a job just like anyone else. If it's weak social safety net then why would the immigrants choose this country for financial benefit? You're contradicting yourself right in the next bullet point. They came here for the American Dream, which is about finding a new life free from oppression against all odds. It's what this country is built on. There's nothing more patriotic t…

> They pay into social security when they have a job just like anyone else. Really? None are paid under the table? Who pays their ER bills when they break their arm while performing illegal farm labor, for instance? > If it's weak social safety net then why would the immigrants choose this country for financial benefit? You're contradicting yourself right in the next bullet point. Because it's better than from wherev…

Legally, you're required to pay taxes even if you're getting underpaid. Many undocumented people use ITINs. Your whole argument is based on false assumptions.

Re: ICE is using facial-recognition technology to quickly arrest people

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Post by 15155 »

bakies wrote: post #138
15155 wrote: post #130

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I don't really care, and this isn't a valid retort. Why should some be allowed to skip the line? If they are skilled, H-1B, O-1, etc. visas should be obtainable. There's no implicit right to migrate wherever one chooses regardless of the laws of that country, sorry!

Neither are any of your replies. Btw it's nearly. 70% are non-criminal and here legally. ICE's own data.

Criminality doesn't factor into my calculus at all: if you are here without status, you will be removed.

Criminal removals should be expedited, no doubt, but even visa overstays should be met with prompt deportation.

Re: ICE is using facial-recognition technology to quickly arrest people

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Post by 15155 »

amanaplanacanal wrote: post #132
15155 wrote: post #130

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't really care, and this isn't a valid retort. Why should some be allowed to skip the line? If they are skilled, H-1B, O-1, etc. visas should be obtainable. There's no implicit right to migrate wherever one chooses regardless of the laws of that country, sorry!

The right to travel is a basic human right, whether any particular government recognizes it or not. People have been migrating to make a better life for themselves since humans have existed. Your ancestors did it, my ancestors did it. Good luck sweeping back the tide.

> Good luck sweeping back the tide.

$170B should make a big dent! Southern border encounters are way down: I think it's working!

Re: ICE is using facial-recognition technology to quickly arrest people

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Post by mindslight »

heavyset_go wrote: post #26
servo_sausage wrote: post #18

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China is already doing abominable things; how people react to additional surveillance is always related to what the state is actually doing with that information. So a system that supports the abduction of polital rivals (an actual human rights violation) is not the same as a system that supports the lawful arrest of someone breaking a law that's accepted as part of a democracy. I also think the scale of investment p…

Democracy is when you get abducted and sent to CECOT because some shitty AI face app said so

Democracy is when the useful idiots cheer on the abductions/renditions with full-throated support, relishing in the spectacular human suffering of others as if two wrongs make a right. But those pounds of flesh are merely being chummed at them by the same exact corporate-government propagandists that shipped their jobs to China in the first place, now promising naked fascism as a way of somehow putting things right when it's really just the next step of the ongoing destruction of their country. But I'm sure when they start to wake up to the grave error they've made (ten+ years too late), their egos will protect themselves with cognitive dissonance while the machine throws them some new scapegoats to distract themselves with.

Re: ICE is using facial-recognition technology to quickly arrest people

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Post by 15155 »

mktk1001 wrote: post #141
15155 wrote: post #127

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> They pay into social security when they have a job just like anyone else. Really? None are paid under the table? Who pays their ER bills when they break their arm while performing illegal farm labor, for instance? > If it's weak social safety net then why would the immigrants choose this country for financial benefit? You're contradicting yourself right in the next bullet point. Because it's better than from wherev…

Legally, you're required to pay taxes even if you're getting underpaid. Many undocumented people use ITINs. Your whole argument is based on false assumptions.

Gosh golly gee, someone who decided to break the law to enter wouldn't possibly break other laws for their own benefit, would they!?

I don't care if "many" people do anything: if they are here without status, they should be removed post haste.

Re: ICE is using facial-recognition technology to quickly arrest people

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Post by 15155 »

bakies wrote: post #140
15155 wrote: post #127

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> They pay into social security when they have a job just like anyone else. Really? None are paid under the table? Who pays their ER bills when they break their arm while performing illegal farm labor, for instance? > If it's weak social safety net then why would the immigrants choose this country for financial benefit? You're contradicting yourself right in the next bullet point. Because it's better than from wherev…

no citizens are paid under the table? who pays bills of citizens w/o insurance that are rushed to the emergency room? > My ancestors weren't given free shit upon arrival you sure about that? We're all the same people, stop hating.

> no citizens are paid under the table?

Proportionately far fewer, obviously? What? Are you going to honestly try and argue in good faith that per capita, people already breaking laws with no legal means to work are paying taxes at the same rate? Either way: it doesn't matter!

> who pays bills of citizens w/o insurance that are rushed to the emergency room?

Guess what? - and this might be a hard pill to swallow: we don't owe foreigners anything.

Your argument distills down to: "there are some citizen lawbreakers, too, so a few more shouldn't hurt!"

> you sure about that?

Social security among other things didn't exist, so, yeah, I am very sure about that.

> We're all the same people, stop hating.

Not wanting to finance unskilled lawbreakers at the expense of my own people is not "hate" - sorry!

Re: ICE is using facial-recognition technology to quickly arrest people

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Post by josefresco »

dleary wrote: post #100
idiotsecant wrote: post #93

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>How humiliating for you, to put your foot in the mouth in front of everyone in this distinguished forum. This isn’t Digg, or even Reddit. Put some thought into what you write.

This tone is not welcome on Hacker News. Please read the guidelines: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re: ICE is using facial-recognition technology to quickly arrest people

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Post by mindslight »

15155 wrote: post #99
R_D_Olivaw wrote: post #98

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All his replies in this thread are this false kneejerk boomerism. Sad, sick people. No empathy. No heart.

"No empathy" - how about not wanting to fund criminal enterprises using the tax dollars of hard-working Americans? Who has empathy for them - the people financing this "charity?" Why is importing unskilled foreigners the hill to die on?

> not wanting to fund criminal enterprises using the tax dollars of hard-working Americans?

Please stick to the point and tell us - if this is your concern then why are you cheering on the large-scale openly criminal enterprise ? The total criminality and total cost of illegal (illegible!) immigrants is dwarfed by the current regime trashing our Constitution, trashing our economy, ballooning the debt, and trashing our standing as world leader, all to put our wealth in their own pockets. So please again, tell us, if this is really your actual concern why are you continuing to cheer support for the absolute worst offenders? Because they pointed at some outgroups and told you to distract yourself with them? Try having some self-respect.

Re: ICE is using facial-recognition technology to quickly arrest people

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Post by plagiarist »

bakies wrote: post #121
plagiarist wrote: post #17

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Probably from the airport scanners and cameras I see everyone gleefully sticking their faces in. A savings of several minutes per flight!

The normal TSA pre-check lines make you scan your face too. They used to read "images are deleted after use" but I didn't notice that message last time I went through security. So likely it's being used by ICE now. The customs line have been doing much more rigorous face scanning for a while now.

TSA allowed to opt-out of this photo the last time I flew. You may also opt-out of the body scan. Nobody does.

I have a bridge to sell anyone who thinks those are deleted after use.

I bet the airports are additionally recording gait using overhead cameras.

Re: ICE is using facial-recognition technology to quickly arrest people

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Post by bakies »

15155 wrote: post #142
bakies wrote: post #138

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Neither are any of your replies. Btw it's nearly. 70% are non-criminal and here legally. ICE's own data.

Criminality doesn't factor into my calculus at all: if you are here without status, you will be removed. Criminal removals should be expedited, no doubt, but even visa overstays should be met with prompt deportation.

they're here with status and going to concentration camps
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