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The Great Gatsby is the most misunderstood novel (2021)

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The admiration some readers have for Jay Gatsby (even though he’s meant to be a tragic figure) reminds me of how some currently view the character of Patrick Bateman from American Psycho as aspirational (minus the murder). I think America values success and beauty so dearly that it can override better judgement in cases.

They’re completely different characters and their qualities are completely different. You can easily admire tragic figures, as well.

As whole essay could be written about how this comparison misunderstands The Great Gatsby.

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Tangentially, if you enjoy The Great Gatsby, you might also enjoy All The King's Men, which is a work of fiction that I think similarly richly described a swath of the American experience.

As for Gatsby, I think it's a great piece of fiction that invites a lot of readings, and everyone's invited to that ownership of the text. I think you can come away with the deeply shallow understanding of "the twenties were cool," and still be enriched by Fitzgerald's writing style.

I don't think anyone has made a good film adaptation of Gatsby and I don't know if anyone will, as long as it's adapted literally. The imagery and iconography of wealthy 1920s America eats so much of anything that tries to adapt it, that they tend to come out feeling shallow, and the writing is so dense that dialogue feels stilted and weird spoken out loud. You'd either need to, in my opinion, lean heavily into both, or abandon both, to make a good adaptation (leaning into both immediately feels like a Wes Anderson movie to me).

I think the best adaptation would be to do something like Jobs, where they just take a few scenes from the book and create a movie out of that.

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Those churches referred her to food pantries that were funded and operated by donations and volunteers from multiple churches. They help people so often that there are entire subsets of organizations dedicated to different areas of need. Food, housing, disaster relief, clothing, rehab, women’s shelters. One church in North Carolina that wasn’t involved with a local food pantry did just help her directly. In order to…

I think the saying is "missing the forest for the trees.[1]" Referring someone to another food bank or resource is not addressing or owning the immediate problem, which is what the experiment showed. Those organizations failed at their primary objective and instead of re-evaluating why they failed they hid behind process and procedure and how they were being tricked since it wasn't a "real" problem. There was a prope…

"Wood for the trees" is how I know it, since "wood" has a double meaning of a small forest and the material.

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> In my limited experience of Russian literature, the struggle doesn't lead to success! There is a meme comparing different countries’ literature: France: “I would die for love.” England: “I would die for honor.” America: “I would die for freedom.” Russia: “I will die.” The harsh climate and scarce resources in Russia prevent it from producing something like the American Dream. People there seem to be more pessimisti…

> scarce resources What now??? Russia is one of the most resource-rich countries on the planet! They are just very inefficient in doing anything with it. The country and all its people should all be among the wealthiest on the planet.

Maybe, but Russia's main problem is its climate. The coldest permanent settlement in the world is in Russia.

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Today, we tend to see The Great Gatsby as a work of historical literature, as it gives a window into the Roaring Twenties. However, F. Scott Fitzgerald did not set out to depict the past; he was depicting his own present. Similarly, Proust's literature is seen as a window into the French high-society of the Belle Epoque, a society in which Proust lived. Which works today do you think future generations will see as th…

> Which works today do you think future generations will see as the classics of the 2010s and 2020s? I think the film Tár will be. It captures the “fake it until you make it” spirit of the present really well along with the god complex and repressed guilt that accompany “making it”. Also the performances and direction are just excellent.

Great choice. Saw a free screening.

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Personally, aside from Russian literature, I now prefer American literature, which I think is underestimated in China. I really like that film adaptation, but what the film expresses is something else, not the same as the novel’s core theme. My own understanding is that American literature has at least three themes that are very distinctive and different from Europe(or other countries). One is the depiction of desola…

I've read thousands of books. There are good novels everywhere, and no country has the exclusivity of any theme. > One is the depiction of desolation and human loneliness before the American continent was developed into a prosperous land. Of course, classical European literature didn't focus on the American wilderness. Though the most famous book on this theme is probably Defoe's Robinson Crusoe . And I enjoyed T.E.…

> Like wise, the American Dream is an American myth,

It's not a myth, it's just vastly overstated in its accessibility and chance of being able to achieve it.

Re: The Great Gatsby is the most misunderstood novel (2021)

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Personally, aside from Russian literature, I now prefer American literature, which I think is underestimated in China. I really like that film adaptation, but what the film expresses is something else, not the same as the novel’s core theme. My own understanding is that American literature has at least three themes that are very distinctive and different from Europe(or other countries). One is the depiction of desola…

As a Chinese-American, in my humble opinion the Great Gatsby is the 1920's version of "On the Road", "American Psycho" and "Liar's Poker". In another words, it is about the American spirit to chase money/success/glamour in spite of the protagonist's preconceived understanding that doing so would end up ultimately futile and empty. "Gatsby believed in the green light, the orgasmic future that year by year recedes befo…

Totally disagree about "On the Road".

They don't chase money, success, or glamour. In fact, they're chasing the complete opposite of what Gatsby was chasing: spirituality. Their relationships are honest. They have no desire for money to influence.

In fact, on most spectrums, American Pyscho and On the Road are on totally opposite ends.

Sure, they share some themes like disillusionment and emptiness, but their core messages couldn't be farther apart.

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No wonder Gatsby is frequently misunderstood: Most people won't have the experience needed to understand it until they're in their 30s, but we prescribe it for high schoolers year after year.

The article underlines that what you get out of Gatsby will change substantially with age, and even encourages a re-reading later to get a different understanding of the novel.

If a teenager’s understanding of it is ‘wrong’ according to you, that’s precisely the point. Perhaps the blame should be cast on a teacher’s poor explanation of it?

Re: The Great Gatsby is the most misunderstood novel (2021)

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This article is infuriating. The most misunderstood? Of all novels? Are we sure? Why not call it a “very misunderstood” novel?

The entire article is a maze of ideas, explaining very little in the end. Okay, it’s misunderstood by young readers, people who think the latest movie adaptation looks cool, and so on.

That’s it? You don’t think The Catcher in the Rye and Dracula were even more misunderstood? I don’t get what the BBC columnist is getting at here. I’ve re-read the novel and it does ‘feel’ different when you’re older, but it never conveyed that the 20s were cool and parties were awesome back then. Ach!

Re: The Great Gatsby is the most misunderstood novel (2021)

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No wonder Gatsby is frequently misunderstood: Most people won't have the experience needed to understand it until they're in their 30s, but we prescribe it for high schoolers year after year.

I suppose you could argue that it is a great book in terms of style and prose, which is why kids should be introduced to the work. I did not grow up in the US, so I have only first read it as a young adult and I vividly remember that the book was beautifully written. It was a joy to read, which I cannot say about all classics.
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