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The year of the 3D printed miniature and other lies we tell ourselves

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Re: The year of the 3D printed miniature and other lies we tell ourselves

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I'm so confused. I've resin printed DnD minis for everyone in several of the campaigns I've played in. They all love them. Yes, there were gloves. Yes, there was alcohol baths, but I just dropped them in the automatic washer and walked away for ten minutes. The entire manual involvement for me from hitting go on the printer to handing out their minis to my friends, ready to be painted, I would estimate at just over f…

These people have no idea what they are talking about.

Re: The year of the 3D printed miniature and other lies we tell ourselves

#143

Yes and No. Look, 3d printing is almost a psychological thing. You almost nailed it but skipped right past it. The term proxy used to delineate between wysiwyg and non-wysiwyg. "I am using this chess piece as a marine" The Deoderant Bottle Gravtank from White Dwarf - Not a proxy. They made it custom rules. It was a miniature, and it was furnished with love and care. This culture is now only found in like, airfix or c…

I dont play GW games anymore aside from Mordheim (discontinued), because frankly GW is a shitty company that I dont want to support. Their entire business model is predatory, they nerf armies and then release new models all the time, the rules are monetized and outrageously expensive, and they are litigious to the point of taking down youtube channels in order to prop up their shitty streaming service. There are so m…

Yeah I have shifted entirely to OPR and other games.

OPR seems like the only real potential competitor to GW. Trying to beat GW on cost, or by copying their games, hasnt produced any results. You need a smoother pathway to the hobby and the game, and thats what OPR represents.

They have:

1. Near 100% rules compatibility for GW miniatures. 2. Support 3d printing out of the box. 3. Will never care where your minis came from. 4. Rules have a lot in common with older edition 40k

Being able to go online, buy a starter army and just start printing it asap is amazing.

Re: The year of the 3D printed miniature and other lies we tell ourselves

#144

Yes and No. Look, 3d printing is almost a psychological thing. You almost nailed it but skipped right past it. The term proxy used to delineate between wysiwyg and non-wysiwyg. "I am using this chess piece as a marine" The Deoderant Bottle Gravtank from White Dwarf - Not a proxy. They made it custom rules. It was a miniature, and it was furnished with love and care. This culture is now only found in like, airfix or c…

I think his main point, and what can’t be overcome without a cultural shift is on these paragraphs:

> For those in the 3D printing crowd who weren't big into playing, just painting, part of the point is showing off your incredible work to everyone else. Except nobody wants to see a 3D-printed forgery of an official model. It's like showing up to a car show with a kit car that looks like a Ferrari. Sure, it's impressive in its own way, but it's not really a Ferrari, and everyone knows it, and now we're all standing around pretending we don't know it, and it's uncomfortable for everyone.

> Once someone figured out one of your minis was 3D printed, shops generally wouldn't feature it in their display cases. So there was no reason for people who were going to put in 10+ hours per model to skip paying for the official real models. If you're going to invest that much time, you want the real thing. You want the little Games Workshop logo on the base. You want to be able to say "yes, I paid $60 for this single figure" with the quiet dignity of someone who has made peace with their choices

They want the “real thing”. I.e. the overpriced chunk of plastic a company managed to inflate the price of.

It is about the ritual. They want all the love, skill and time they put into this craft to be poured on this talisman. They don’t want it to be wasted on the cheap unofficial knockoffs.

It’s interesting how companies in consumerist societies manage to create artificial value by engaging communities in these type of branded religions (the article used that word, and I think is apt)

Re: The year of the 3D printed miniature and other lies we tell ourselves

#145

Yes and No. Look, 3d printing is almost a psychological thing. You almost nailed it but skipped right past it. The term proxy used to delineate between wysiwyg and non-wysiwyg. "I am using this chess piece as a marine" The Deoderant Bottle Gravtank from White Dwarf - Not a proxy. They made it custom rules. It was a miniature, and it was furnished with love and care. This culture is now only found in like, airfix or c…

I think his main point, and what can’t be overcome without a cultural shift is on these paragraphs: > For those in the 3D printing crowd who weren't big into playing, just painting, part of the point is showing off your incredible work to everyone else. Except nobody wants to see a 3D-printed forgery of an official model. It's like showing up to a car show with a kit car that looks like a Ferrari. Sure, it's impressi…

>I think his main point, and what can’t be overcome without a cultural shift is on these paragraphs:

GW isnt a ferrari in this scenario. They have come a long way, but third party providers like Scibor, who preexist 3d printing, are still leagues better. Not to mention all of the third party support for their less supported lines, like Warhammer Fantasy. You would 100% put a scibor mini in your display case.

Its not that the 3d print isnt a ferrari, its that it specifically does everything GW's minis do, often better. So the culture has been designed to hate on it.

>If you're going to invest that much time, you want the real thing.

I mean this would tend to exclude even conversions. And people put 100s of hours into those.

>You want to be able to say "yes, I paid $60 for this single figure" with the quiet dignity of someone who has made peace with their choices

This seems like he is trying to enforce the culture, not defend it. I dont care what I paid as long as the result is good.

>It is about the ritual. They want all the love, skill and time they put into this craft to be poured on this talisman. They don’t want it to be wasted on the cheap unofficial knockoffs.

Thats the thing, lots of these miniatures arent knockoffs. Many are. But many exceed, or provide alternatives to GW. This is mostly just a confession note about being addicted to a single company rather than participating in a hobby. GW loves and cultivates this mindset.

Re: The year of the 3D printed miniature and other lies we tell ourselves

#146
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100% agree I built a four-poster bed, and 3D printed the fittings for the curtain rails and the attachment point for the fan. I built a desk, and 3D printed the entire shelving system for it. I designed and 3D printed an entire range of boardgaming accessories (storage bins, dice towers, meeples, etc) I only bought the thing as something to do while in COVID lockdown. But it's been really useful.

I see it as the most important home maintenance tool. Saves hundreds per year on little things that break. Like a wall patch, small o-ring for a toy, drawer slide mount, basement light mount, etc. I will say though that the learning curve is a bit rough if you don’t have CAD experience.

Part of the fun was teaching myself enough FreeCAD to be useful :)

Re: The year of the 3D printed miniature and other lies we tell ourselves

#147

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think his main point, and what can’t be overcome without a cultural shift is on these paragraphs: > For those in the 3D printing crowd who weren't big into playing, just painting, part of the point is showing off your incredible work to everyone else. Except nobody wants to see a 3D-printed forgery of an official model. It's like showing up to a car show with a kit car that looks like a Ferrari. Sure, it's impressi…

>I think his main point, and what can’t be overcome without a cultural shift is on these paragraphs: GW isnt a ferrari in this scenario. They have come a long way, but third party providers like Scibor, who preexist 3d printing, are still leagues better. Not to mention all of the third party support for their less supported lines, like Warhammer Fantasy. You would 100% put a scibor mini in your display case. Its not…

Just in case it wasn’t clear: I’m agreeing with you

Re: The year of the 3D printed miniature and other lies we tell ourselves

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Great point. Also, nobody would go to a cafe where the coffee comes from a fully automated machine instead of a barista.

Coffee vending machines have existed since the, what, 1950's maybe? AI will fill a similar niche when it settles down, I think. Cheap, and mostly what you asked for, but you know you're not going to love the output.

Yes, agree. Cafes and baristas still exist even though the are coffee vending machines.

Re: The year of the 3D printed miniature and other lies we tell ourselves

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Great point. Also, nobody would go to a cafe where the coffee comes from a fully automated machine instead of a barista.

There are several robot cafes in major cities across the world

There are orders of magnitude more cafes where humans make and serve the coffee.

Re: The year of the 3D printed miniature and other lies we tell ourselves

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Great point. Also, nobody would go to a cafe where the coffee comes from a fully automated machine instead of a barista.

If you think people care about coffee quality you must never have been to a Starbucks.

Not about quality. They want the experience of going to a cafe where the coffee is made and served by humans. These cafes exist along side automated coffee.
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