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ChatGPT conversations still lack timestamps after years of requests

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Re: ChatGPT conversations still lack timestamps after years of requests

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I would also love to see a token budget use for the chats -- to know when the model is about to run out of context. It's crazy this is not there.

It would have to be intentionally vague since there is no hard cutoff threshold.

Claude code does it, to a precision of 1 digit of a percentage. That’s more than enough to be useful.

Re: ChatGPT conversations still lack timestamps after years of requests

#142
post #61

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Regular people hate numbers. Not a joke. To capture a wide audience you want to avoid numbers, among other technical niceties.

This makes sense only if you don’t think about it at all.

People on HN are not regular users in any way, shape or form.

It's just the "cognitive load" UX idea, with extremely non-technical people having extremely low limits before they decide to never try again, or just feel intimidated and never try to begin with.

It's the Apple story all over again.

https://lawsofux.com/cognitive-load/

Re: ChatGPT conversations still lack timestamps after years of requests

#143

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Regular people hate numbers. Not a joke. To capture a wide audience you want to avoid numbers, among other technical niceties.

I’m sorry but this really sounds like a made-up idea. Is there any actual repeatable research that could back this claim?

It's just the "cognitive load" UX idea, with extremely non-technical people having extremely low limits before they decide to never try again, or just feel intimidated and never try to begin with.

It's the Apple story all over again.

https://lawsofux.com/cognitive-load/

Re: ChatGPT conversations still lack timestamps after years of requests

#144
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It's something extremely pervasive in modern design language. It actually infuriates me to no end. There are many many many instances where you should use numbers but we get vague bullshit descriptions instead. My classic example is that Samsung phones show charging as Slow, Fast, Very fast, Super fast charging. They could just use watts like a sane person. Internally of course everything is actually watts and variou…

In US, washing machines have "cold", "warm", "hot" settings. In Europe, you have a temperature knob "30C", "40C", "60C". Like you, I don't buy the argument that people are actually too dumb to deal with the latter or are allergic to numbers. People get used to and make use of numbers in context naturally if you expose them.

I have a machine which has cold/warm/hot because it doesn't heat water by itself, it just takes whatever hot water there exists in the house (and "warm" means 50% hot water and 50% cold).

Re: ChatGPT conversations still lack timestamps after years of requests

#145
post #136

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In US, washing machines have "cold", "warm", "hot" settings. In Europe, you have a temperature knob "30C", "40C", "60C". Like you, I don't buy the argument that people are actually too dumb to deal with the latter or are allergic to numbers. People get used to and make use of numbers in context naturally if you expose them.

I have a machine which has cold/warm/hot because it doesn't heat water by itself, it just takes whatever hot water there exists in the house (and "warm" means 50% hot water and 50% cold).

Practical.

I still think anyone who grew up with such a machine would be able to graduate to a numerical temp knob without having a visceral reaction over the numbers every time they do laundry.

Re: ChatGPT conversations still lack timestamps after years of requests

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Not if you actually read what the extension does and drag and drop it into chrome yourself. Don't install from the web store. Those ones can auto-update.

Your suggestion is to not use the platform as intended, and to understand the source code of the extension. That advice is not actionable by non-technical people and does not help mitigate mass surveillance.

Ok, should we just use the provided 'app' and assume things are fine? FAANG or whoever take our privacy and security very seriously, you know!

The only reasonable approach is to view the code that is run on your system, which is possible with a extension script, and not possible with whatever non-technical people are using.

Re: ChatGPT conversations still lack timestamps after years of requests

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There is a non-trivial number of people who get an adverse reaction to anything technical, including the language of technical - numbers. Numbers are the language of confusion, not getting it, feeling inadequate, nerds and losers, stupid math, and the "cold dead machines". The thing is that people who are fine with numbers will still use those products anyway, perhaps mildly annoyed. People who hate numbers will feel…

And so the assertion here is that "when a message was sent" is too technical? I think we need to give people slightly more credit. If this is true, maybe its because we keep infantalising them?

I can see something along those lines being why so many things designed for everyone have drifted towards soft "three weeks ago" dates.

Re: ChatGPT conversations still lack timestamps after years of requests

#149
post #92
post #86

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It's all rather dumb, but your examples are really counterexamples, because a watt is sadly not something most people understand. One would at minimum need to have passed a physics class, and even that doesn't necessarily leave a person with an intuitive, visceral understanding of what a watt is, feels like, can do. I appreciate my older Samsung phone that just converts it into expected time until full charge. That's…

Most people can understand "bigger number better". They don't need the full theoretical derivation of the watt as a unit of power for that.

And just through exposure over time they'd learn "my phone usually charges around X" and be able to see if their new cable is actually charging faster or not.

Re: ChatGPT conversations still lack timestamps after years of requests

#150

ChatGPT still does not display per-message timestamps (time of day / date) in conversations. This has been requested consistently since early 2023 on the OpenAI community forum, with hundreds of comments and upvotes and deleted threads, yet remains unimplemented. Do any of you could think of a reason (UX-wise) for it not to be displayed?

stop using the product until the products creators at least demonstrate they listen. they have never been in a riskier position
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