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Nvidia to buy assets from Groq for $20B cash

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Re: Nvidia to buy assets from Groq for $20B cash

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He’s no delusional: https://x.com/__tinygrad__/status/1983476594850283820 However, I would say you are wrong about it being only smoke

Look dude, this guy failed his Twitter internship and is not about to take on Jensen Huang. This isn't some young guy anymore and this isn't 200x where is he about to have another iPhone / Sony moment. It is peak delulu. Edit: His whole blog is 'hot take #n'. Not even anything serious. Basically podcast bro level stuff. https://geohot.github.io/blog/jekyll/update/2025/12/22/the-o...

And where do you think he’s wrong in that post?

Re: Nvidia to buy assets from Groq for $20B cash

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I don’t see how this isn’t anti trust but knowing this political climate, this deal will go through.

It’ll go through. It’s not an acquisition, it’s an exclusive licensing deal. Same end result, but it lets them runaround the usual regulatory approvals for acquisitions.

Re: Nvidia to buy assets from Groq for $20B cash

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This doesn't make much sense- In September, Groq was valued at $7B. How is it that in 4 months it is being bought for $20B? Can someone with better understanding dumb this down for me please?

It's an AI blackhole https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=21e5GZF3yx0

Re: Nvidia to buy assets from Groq for $20B cash

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Will be interesting technically to see what develops from this. NVLink? Full CUDA feels maybe doubtful but who knows. Nvidia CUDA Tile feels like more of a maybe, their new much more explicit way of making workloads.

This does feel a bit sad for sure, worrying whether this might hold Groq and innovation back. Reciprocally, perhaps kind of cool to see Groq get a massive funding boost and help from a very experienced chip making peer. It feels like an envious position somewhat, even with the long term consequences being so hazy. From the outside yes it looks like Nvidia solidifying their iron grasp over a market with very limited competitive suppliers, but this could help Groq, and maybe it's not on the terms we think we want right now, but could be very cool to see.

I really hope some of the rest of the markets can see what's happening, broadly, with Nvidia forming partnerships all over the place. NVLink with Intel, NVLink with Amazon's Tritanium... there's much more to the ecosystem, but just connecting the chips smartly is a huge task, is core to inter-operation. And for all we've heard of CXL, UltraAccelerator Link (UALink) and UltraEthernet (UET) it feels like very few major players are taking it seriously enough to just integrate these new interconnects & make them awesome. They remain incredible expensive & not commonly used, lacking broad industry adoption, and reserved for very expensive systems: there's a huge existential risk here that (lack of) interconnect will destroy competitors ability to get their good chips well integrated and used. The rest of the market needs more clear alarm bells going off, and needs to be making sure good interconnect is available on way more chips, get it into everyone's hands ASAP not just big customers, so that adoption & Linux nerd type folks can start building stacks that open up the future. The market risks getting left behind, if NVLink is built in everywhere and the various other fabrics never become common-place.

Re: Nvidia to buy assets from Groq for $20B cash

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Groq is absolutely tiny. I don't think antitrust is an issue here.

20 billions is tiny?

That's the sales price of the company. Their marketshare, I imagine, is absolutely miniscule.

Re: Nvidia to buy assets from Groq for $20B cash

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post #57

This doesn't make much sense- In September, Groq was valued at $7B. How is it that in 4 months it is being bought for $20B? Can someone with better understanding dumb this down for me please?

Trump Jr. entered at $7 billion. In the meantime Nvidia got permission to sell GPUs to China.

All-In pundit Palihapitiya is invested in Groq as well. It is going well for friends of David Sacks.

Re: Nvidia to buy assets from Groq for $20B cash

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Stuff like tinygrad will change this. Geohot already made nvidia run on macs via thunderbolt. Also: https://x.com/__tinygrad__/status/1983469817895198783

The bottleneck in training and inference isn’t matmul, and once a chip isn’t a kindergarten toy you don’t go from FPGA to tape out by clicking a button. For local memory he’s going to have to learn to either stack DRAM (not “3000 lines of verilog” and requires a supply chain which openai just destroyed) or diffuse block RAM / SRAM like Groq which is astronomically expensive bit for bit and torpedoes yields, compoundi…

The main point is that it will not be an nvidia’s monopoly for too long.

Re: Nvidia to buy assets from Groq for $20B cash

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Shy of an algo breakthrough, open source isn't going to catch up with SOTA, their main trick for model improvement is distilling the SOTA models. That's why they they have perpetually been "right behind".

They don't need to catch up. They just need to be good enough and fast as fuck. Vast majority of useful tasks of LLMs has nothing to do with how smart they are. GPT-5 models have been the most useless models out of any model released this year despite being SOTA, and it because it slow as fuck.

Confused. Is ‘fuck’ fast or slow? Or both at the same time? Is there a sort of quantum superposition of fuck?
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