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Meta is using the Linux scheduler designed for Valve's Steam Deck on its servers

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Re: Meta is using the Linux scheduler designed for Valve's Steam Deck on its servers

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Post by inexcf »

heywoods wrote: post #107
trinsic2 wrote: post #88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, im sorry. Valve is the last company people should be focusing for this type of behavior. All the other AAA game companies use these mechanics to deliberate manipulate players. IMHO valve doesn't use predatory practices to keep this stuff going.

Just because they weren’t the first mover into predatory practices doesn’t mean they can’t say no to said practices. Each actor has agency to make their own operating and business decisions. Is Valve the worst of the lot? Absolutely not. But it was still their choice to implement.

What makes Valve special is that they were the first mover on those practices like lootboxes, gamepasses... but they never pushed it as far as the competition where it became predatory.

Re: Meta is using the Linux scheduler designed for Valve's Steam Deck on its servers

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Post by cogman10 »

ndriscoll wrote: post #117
dabockster wrote: post #104

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This is a part of Secure Boot, which Linux people have raged against for a long time. Mostly because the main key signing authority was Microsoft. But here's my rub: no one else bothered to step up to be a key signer. Everyone has instead whined for 15 years and told people to disable Secure Boot and the loads of trusted compute tech that depends on it, instead of actually building and running the necessary infra for…

The goals of the people mandating Secure Boot are completely opposed to the goals of people who want to decide what software they run on the computer they own. Literally the entire point of remote attestation is to take that choice away from you (e.g. because they don't want you to choose to run cheating software). It's not a matter of "no one stepped up"; it's that Epic Games isn't going to trust my secure boot key…

And all this came from big game makers turning their games into casinos. The reason they want everything locked down is money is on the line.

Re: Meta is using the Linux scheduler designed for Valve's Steam Deck on its servers

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Post by zargon »

dabockster wrote: post #105
dijit wrote: post #49

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“it just works” sleep was working, at least on basically every laptop I had the last 10 years… until the new s2idle stuff that Microsoft and Intel have foisted on the world (to update your laptop while sleeping… I guess?)

From what I read, it was a lot of the prosumer/gamer brands (MSI, Gigabyte, ASUS) implementing their part of sleep/hibernate badly on their motherboards. Which honestly lines up with my experience with them and other chips they use (in my case, USB controllers). Lots of RGB and maybe overclocking tech, but the cheapest power management and connectivity chips they can get (arguably what usually gets used the most by p…

Sleep brokenness is ecosystem-wide. My Thinkpad crashes/freezes during sleep 3 times a week. Lenovo serviced/replaced it 3 times to no avail.

Re: Meta is using the Linux scheduler designed for Valve's Steam Deck on its servers

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Post by stdbrouw »

baq wrote: post #99
Fiveplus wrote: post #17

Valve is practically singlehandedly dragging the Linux ecosystem forward in areas that nobody else wanted to touch. They needed Windows games to run on Linux so we got massive Proton/Wine advancements. They needed better display output for the deck and we got HDR and VRR support in wayland. They also needed smoother frame pacing and we got a scheduler that Zuck is now using to run data centers. Its funny to think tha…

I low key hope the current DDR5 prices push them to drag the Linux memory and swap management into the 21st century, too, because hard locking on low memory got old a while ago

I feel like all of the elements are there: zram, zswap, various packages that improve on default oom handling... maybe it's more about creating sane defaults that "just work" at this point?

Re: Meta is using the Linux scheduler designed for Valve's Steam Deck on its servers

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Post by dralley »

senfiaj wrote: post #7
999900000999 wrote: post #2

That's the magic of open source. Valve can't say ohh noes you need a deluxe enterprise license.

In this case yes, but on the other hand Red Hat won't publish the RHEL code unless you have the binaries. The GPLv2 license requires you to provide the source code only if you provide the compiled binaries. In theory Meta can apply its own proprietary patches on Linux and don't publish the source code if it runs that patched Linux on its servers only.

RHEL source code is easily available to the public - via CentOS Stream.

For any individual RHEL package, you can find the source code with barely any effort. If you have a list of the exact versions of every package used in RHEL, you could compose it without that much effort by finding those packages in Stream. It's just not served up to you on a silver platter unless you're a paying customer. You have M package versions for N packages - all open source - and you have to figure out the correct construction for yourself.

Re: Meta is using the Linux scheduler designed for Valve's Steam Deck on its servers

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Post by theLiminator »

MarleTangible wrote: post #26
Fiveplus wrote: post #17

Valve is practically singlehandedly dragging the Linux ecosystem forward in areas that nobody else wanted to touch. They needed Windows games to run on Linux so we got massive Proton/Wine advancements. They needed better display output for the deck and we got HDR and VRR support in wayland. They also needed smoother frame pacing and we got a scheduler that Zuck is now using to run data centers. Its funny to think tha…

Over time they're going to touch things that people were waiting for Microsoft to do for years. I don't have an example in mind at the moment, but it's a lot better to make the changes yourself than wait for OS or console manufacturer to take action.

Imagine if windows moved to the linux kernel and then used wine/proton to serve their own userspace.

Re: Meta is using the Linux scheduler designed for Valve's Steam Deck on its servers

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Post by jandrese »

7bit wrote: post #56
asveikau wrote: post #38

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I was at Microsoft during the Windows 8 cycle. I remember hearing about a kernel feature I found interesting. Then I found linux had it for a few years at the time. I think the reality is that Linux is ahead on a lot of kernel stuff. More experimentation is happening.

And behind on a lot of stuff. The Microsoft's ACLs are nothing short of one of the best designed permission systems there are. On the surface, they are as simple as Linux UOG/rwx stuff if you want it to be, but you can really, REALLY dive into the technology and apply super specific permissions.

> The Microsoft's ACLs are nothing short of one of the best designed permission systems there are.

You have a hardened Windows 11 system. A critical application was brought forward from a Windows 10 box but it failed, probably a permissions issue somewhere. Debug it and get it working. You can not try to pass this off to the vendor, it is on you to fix it. Go.

Re: Meta is using the Linux scheduler designed for Valve's Steam Deck on its servers

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Post by webdevver »

hobobaggins wrote: post #128
loeg wrote: post #40

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Phoronix is blogspam?!

yeah thats kinda harsh, phoronix is a good oss news aggregator at the very least, and the PTS is a huge boon for "whats the best bang for buck llvm build box" type of question (which is very useful!)

Re: Meta is using the Linux scheduler designed for Valve's Steam Deck on its servers

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Post by cactacea »

dabockster wrote: post #100
7bit wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And behind on a lot of stuff. The Microsoft's ACLs are nothing short of one of the best designed permission systems there are. On the surface, they are as simple as Linux UOG/rwx stuff if you want it to be, but you can really, REALLY dive into the technology and apply super specific permissions.

Oh yeah for sure. Linux is amazing in a computer science sense, but it still can't beat Windows' vertically integrated registry/GPO based permissions system. Group/Local Policy especially, since it's effectively a zero coding required system. Ubuntu just recently got a way to automate its installer (recently being during covid). I think you can do the same on RHEL too. But that's largely it on Linux right now. If you…

> Ubuntu just recently got a way to automate its installer (recently being during covid).

Preseed is not new at all:

https://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Preseed

RH has also had kickstart since basically forever now.

I've been using both preseeds and kickstart professionally for over a decade. Maybe you're thinking of the graphical installer?

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