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Local AI is driving the biggest change in laptops in decades

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Re: Local AI is driving the biggest change in laptops in decades

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post #96

The author seems unaware of how well recent Apple laptops run LLMs. This is puzzling and puts into question the validity of anything in this article.

Only if you want to take all the proprietary baggage and telemetry that comes with Apple platforms by default.

A Lenovo T15g with a 16gb 3080 mobile doesn’t do too badly and will run more than just Windows.

Re: Local AI is driving the biggest change in laptops in decades

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749 for an M4 air at Amazon right now

Try running anything interesting on these 8gb of ram. You need 96gb or 128gb to do non trivial things. That is not yet 749 usd

Fair enough, but they start at 16GB nowadays.

Re: Local AI is driving the biggest change in laptops in decades

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This article is so dumb. It totally ignores the memory price explosion that will make large fast memory laptops unfeasible for years and states stuff like this: > How many TOPS do you need to run state-of-the-art models with hundreds of millions of parameters? No one knows exactly. It’s not possible to run these models on today’s consumer hardware, so real-world tests just can’t be done. We know exactly the performan…

Horrible article. Low effort, low knowledge. Had no idea the bar was so low for an IEEE publication

Re: Local AI is driving the biggest change in laptops in decades

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My recent shower thought was the idea that Moores law hasnt slowed at all, we just went multi-core. Its crazy that the intel folks were so interested in optimizing for single thread CPU design they completely misunderstood where the best effort would be spent - if I had been around back then (speaking as an Elixir dev) I would have been way more interested in having 500 theead CPUs than getting down to nanometer scale dies. Thats what you get when everyone on the team is a bunch of C programmers

Re: Local AI is driving the biggest change in laptops in decades

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With the wild ram prices, which btw are probably going to last out 2026, I expect 8 GB ram to be the new standard going on forward. 32 GB ram will be for enthusiasts with deep pockets, and professionals. Anything over that, exclusively professionals. The conspiracy theorist inside me is telling me that big AI companies like OpenAI would rather see that people are using their puny laptops as terminals / shells only, t…

Not if a few investigations into the foundries and their datacenter deals stops that.

Re: Local AI is driving the biggest change in laptops in decades

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I predict we will see compute-in-flash before we see cheap laptops with 128+ gigs of ram.

By "we" do you mean consumers? No, "we" will get neither. This is unexpected, irresistable opportunity to create a new class, by controlling the technology that people are required and are desiring to use (large genAI) with a comprehensive moat — financial, legislative and technological. Why make affordable devices that enable at least partial autonomy? Of course the focus will be on better remote operation (networki…

Push Washington to grill the foundries and their customers. Repeat until prices drop.

Re: Local AI is driving the biggest change in laptops in decades

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Unfortunately still loads of hurdles for most people. AAA Games with anti-cheat that don't support Linux. Video editing (DaVinci Resolve exists but is a pain to get up and running on many distros, KDenLive/OpenShot don't really cut it for most) Adobe Suite (Photoshop/Lightroom specifically, and Premiere for Video Editing) - would like to see Affinity support Linux but hasn't happened so far. GIMP and DarkTable aren't…

> AAA Games with anti-cheat that don't support Linux. I really don't understand people that want to play games so badly that they are willing to install a literal rootkit on their devices. I can understand if you're a pro gamer but it feels stupid to do it otherwise.

Riot Vanguard is a popular rootkit.

Re: Local AI is driving the biggest change in laptops in decades

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post #96

The author seems unaware of how well recent Apple laptops run LLMs. This is puzzling and puts into question the validity of anything in this article.

You still need ridiculously high spec hardware, and at Apple’s prices, that isn’t cheap. Even if you can afford it (most won't), the local models you can run are still limited and they still underperform. It’s much cheaper to pay for a cloud solution and get significantly better result. In my opinion, the article is right. We need a better way to run LLMs locally.

You still need ridiculously high spec hardware, and at Apple’s prices, that isn’t cheap.

You can easily run models like Mistral and Stable Diffusion in Ollama and Draw Things, and you can run newer models like Devstral (the MLX version) and Z Image Turbo with a little effort using LM Studio and Comfyui. It isn't as fast as using a good nVidia GPU or a cloud GPU but it's certainly good enough to play around with and learn more about it. I've written a bunch of apps that give me a browser UI talking to an API that's provided by an app running a model locally and it works perfectly well. I did that on an 8GB M1 for 18 months and then upgraded to a 24GB M4 Pro recently. I still have the M1 on my network for doing AI things in the background.

Re: Local AI is driving the biggest change in laptops in decades

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"Local AI" could be many different things. NPUs are too puny to run many recent models, such as image generation and llms. The article seems to gloss over many important details like this, for example the creative agency, what AI work are they doing?

> marketing firm Aigency Amsterdam, told me earlier this year that although she prefers macOS, her agency doesn’t use Mac computers for AI work.

Re: Local AI is driving the biggest change in laptops in decades

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Unfortunately still loads of hurdles for most people. AAA Games with anti-cheat that don't support Linux. Video editing (DaVinci Resolve exists but is a pain to get up and running on many distros, KDenLive/OpenShot don't really cut it for most) Adobe Suite (Photoshop/Lightroom specifically, and Premiere for Video Editing) - would like to see Affinity support Linux but hasn't happened so far. GIMP and DarkTable aren't…

> AAA Games with anti-cheat that don't support Linux. I really don't understand people that want to play games so badly that they are willing to install a literal rootkit on their devices. I can understand if you're a pro gamer but it feels stupid to do it otherwise.

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