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Re: Backing up Spotify

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Post by lkramer »

cm2012 wrote: post #132
crazygringo wrote: post #11

This is insane. I definitely was not aware Spotify DRM had been cracked to enable downloading at scale like this. The thing is, this doesn't even seem particularly useful for average consumers/listeners, since Spotify itself is so convenient, and trying to locate individual tracks in massive torrent files of presumably 10,000's of tracks each sounds horrible. But this does seem like it will be a godsend for researche…

This leak will also be really useful to bad actors who will resell the music from this list without paying royalties to the artists.

Which is how Spotify started... And is still carrying on. So nothing has changed.

Re: Backing up Spotify

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Post by IgorPartola »

cm2012 wrote: post #113
IgorPartola wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It is technically stealing It is technically not. Stealing means you have a thing, I steal it, now I have the thing and you do not. You can’t steal a copyright (aside from something like breaking into your stuff and stealing the proof that you hold the copyright), and then a song is downloaded the original copyright holder still have copy. Calling piracy theft was MPAA/RIAA propaganda. Now people say that piracy is…

Can you post your social security number and other personal info here then? You will still have it afterwards! Oh also, I don't see why I should ever pay for trains or movie tickets if there are seats available. I can just walk in! The event will happen anyway. Its not stealing. Everyone should just download all art, music and literature for free. Musicians, artists and writers can all make money some other way while…

https://www.sciencelearn.org.nz/images/straw-man-arguments

What the music/movie industry was claiming in court was not theft. There is no statute that identifies piracy as theft. They were claiming copyright violation and wanted to collect damages for lost revenue.

You are bringing up “identity theft” which is also not theft. If you post your PII here and I use it to open a credit card in your name and then spend a bunch of the money using that card on buying goods and services, you are not the victim. What I do in that case is defraud the bank. They are the ones who are the actual victim and in the ideal world they would be the ones working with the authorities to get their money back.

Of course they would rather not do that so they invented a crime called identity theft and convinced everyone that it is ok for them to make you the victim. They make your life hell since they can’t find the actual criminal while you spend thousands of dollars trying to prove that you don’t owe thousands of dollars. But in reality you were not any part of the fraud. It is on the bank to secure their system enough to prevent this. But they have big time lawyer money and you don’t so here you are.

Re: Backing up Spotify

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Post by toomuchtodo »

jsheard wrote: post #78
Aurornis wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The thing is, this doesn't even seem particularly useful for average consumers/listeners, since Spotify itself is so convenient, and trying to locate individual tracks in massive torrent files of presumably 10,000's of tracks each sounds horrible. I wouldn’t be so sure. There are already tools to automatically locate and stream pirated TV and movie content automatic and on demand. They’re so common that I had non-t…

> The Anna’s archive group is ideologically motivated. They’re definitely not doing this for AI companies. They have a page directly addressed to AI companies, offering them "enterprise-level" access to their complete archives in exchange for tens of thousands of dollars. AI may not be their original/primary motivation but they are evidently on board with facilitating AI labs piracy-maxxing.

You go where the money is. Infra isn’t free. Churches pass the plate every Sunday. Perhaps one day we’ll exist in a more optimal socioeconomic system; until then, you do what you have to do to accomplish your goals (in this context, archivists and digital preservation).

Re: Backing up Spotify

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Post by [deleted] »

crazygringo wrote: post #11

This is insane. I definitely was not aware Spotify DRM had been cracked to enable downloading at scale like this. The thing is, this doesn't even seem particularly useful for average consumers/listeners, since Spotify itself is so convenient, and trying to locate individual tracks in massive torrent files of presumably 10,000's of tracks each sounds horrible. But this does seem like it will be a godsend for researche…

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Re: Backing up Spotify

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Post by Retr0id »

reactordev wrote: post #124
stefan_ wrote: post #106

Earlier quoted context omitted.

DRM aside, Spotify clearly should have logic that throttles your account based on requests (only so many minutes in a day..), making it entirely impractical to download the entirety of it unless you have millions of accounts.

>unless you have millions of accounts. Challenge accepted… This is probably how they did it, over time, was use a few thousand accounts and queued up all the things, and download everything over the course of a year.

Notably 160kbit is the free-tier bitrate, so they presumably used unpaid accounts.

Re: Backing up Spotify

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Post by Retr0id »

thaumasiotes wrote: post #72
crazygringo wrote: post #11

This is insane. I definitely was not aware Spotify DRM had been cracked to enable downloading at scale like this. The thing is, this doesn't even seem particularly useful for average consumers/listeners, since Spotify itself is so convenient, and trying to locate individual tracks in massive torrent files of presumably 10,000's of tracks each sounds horrible. But this does seem like it will be a godsend for researche…

> I definitely was not aware Spotify DRM had been cracked to enable downloading at scale like this. Do they have DRM at all? Youtube and Pandora don't.

Spotify has DRM, and you can find open-source reimplementations of it on github.

Their native clients use a weak hand-rolled DRM scheme (which is where the ogg vorbis files come from), whereas the web player uses Widevine with AAC.

Re: Backing up Spotify

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Post by layer8 »

Etheryte wrote: post #28

To put this into perspective, What.CD [0] was widely considered to be the music library of Alexandria, unparalleled in both its high quality standard and it's depth. What had in the ballpark of a few million torrents when it got raided and shut down. Anna's rip of Spotify includes roughly 186 million unique records. Granted, the tail end is a mixed bag of bot music and whatnot, but the scale is staggering. [0] https:…

That being sad, I have a lot of non-mainstream tracks in my playlists on YouTube Music that have YouTube comments along the line of “I wish this was available on Spotify :’(“. I bet the same goes for What.CD.

So there’s some way to go for a comprehensive music archive.

Re: Backing up Spotify

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Post by echelon_musk »

sunaookami wrote: post #56
bigyabai wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Probably not, those tools don't actually download Spotify tracks at source quality.

There are tools that actually download directly from Spotify (needs premium then) but yeah most of them just use the search and download from other sources like YouTube without mentioning it. I won't say which tools download directly out of fear that they get killed but they exist.

Sadly since zspotify was killed I don't know of any remaining tools.

Re: Backing up Spotify

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Post by IgorPartola »

uhfraid wrote: post #137
IgorPartola wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It is technically stealing It is technically not. Stealing means you have a thing, I steal it, now I have the thing and you do not. You can’t steal a copyright (aside from something like breaking into your stuff and stealing the proof that you hold the copyright), and then a song is downloaded the original copyright holder still have copy. Calling piracy theft was MPAA/RIAA propaganda. Now people say that piracy is…

> Stealing means you have a thing, I steal it, now I have the thing and you do not. that seems like an overly narrow definition… what about identity theft, or IP theft? https://www.justice.gov/usao-ndca/pr/superseding-indictment-...

See my other comment. Identity theft is the bank being defrauded and passing the problem onto you. They are the victim, not you and it is their money that’s gone, not yours.

IP theft is more like espionage and possibly lost hypothetical revenue. Again, it isn’t larceny, burglary, etc. You still have the knowledge, it’s just that so does the perpetrator.

Moreover discussions of IP gets into whether it even makes sense to be able to patent algorithms which are at their core just mathematics. So before you can talk about stealing the quadratic formula you need to prove that the quadratic formula is something that can be property.

Re: Backing up Spotify

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Post by Spivak »

lelandfe wrote: post #136
tjoff wrote: post #99

I just want to be able to backup my playlists. Maybe thats possible but last time I looked I could only find sites that wanted your login, not gonna happen.

https://developer.spotify.com/documentation/web-api/referenc... https://developer.spotify.com/documentation/web-api/referenc... I bet you can whip up a super simple script with an LLM to do this!

Not that using the Spotify API directly is all that hard but the spotipy library makes it even easier.
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