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Microsoft Copilot AI Comes to LG TVs, and Can't Be Deleted

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Re: Microsoft Copilot AI Comes to LG TVs, and Can't Be Deleted

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FFS. When I bought LG OLED TV, it was quite snappy. A year later, it asked to update webOS. OK. Now we are crawling through molasses... All TV software seems appears to be an absolute fucking scam.

Why are people still connecting their TVs to the internet? I thought this is already common wisdom for people in tech for decades to NEVER connect your TV to the internet, not even once.

How is this my fault as customer? This a predatory practice in tech.

I work in automotive, the hoops you have to jump through in order to push a SW update are enormous. One of the first rules is: if the owner of the vehicle does not consent to an OTA update, you're out of luck.

The industry is obviously unable to self-regulate, so it is time for an external regulator, e.g. the EU, to jump in and mandate that SW updates cannot be applied without explicit consent and an explicit explanation of what is being changed. Of course, security updates must be maintained separately from feature updates like this.

As a consumer, I always want the latter, rarely do I want the former. My device, my choice.

Re: Microsoft Copilot AI Comes to LG TVs, and Can't Be Deleted

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Of course it can't be deleted.

They need to force induce AI demand to pump up the dashboards for shareholders. Thus they are converting every possible input line in the world into AI inputs. Do you think they redesigned Windows Run dialog[1] out of the blue just for fun?

[1] https://www.reddit.com/r/Windows11/comments/1pe93r2/after_30...

Re: Microsoft Copilot AI Comes to LG TVs, and Can't Be Deleted

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's crazy to read this because I came from a Samsung TV/Display - LG Software is so much better than that! Really wish we'd get dumb displays with these great panels :(

So far nothing prevents you from spending $100 to set up LibreElec on an RPi and leave the TV offline and dumb.

Does that work with the DRM from streaming apps, though? Can you get 4K and atmos with Netflix or Disney+ with that hardware? And an easy remote and UI?

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My rule for modern TVs: 1. Never connect the TV panel itself to the internet. Keep it air-gapped. Treat it solely as a dumb monitor. 2. Use an Apple TV for the "smart" features. 3. Avoid Fire TV, Chromecast, or Roku. The logic is simple, Google (Chromecast) and Amazon (Fire TV) operate on the same business model as the TV manufacturers subsidized hardware in exchange for user data and ad inventory. Apple is the only…

> 1. Never connect the TV panel itself to the internet. Keep it air-gapped. Treat it solely as a dumb monitor.

I gave up on this. I turned off a lot of the smart features but couldn’t justify not being able to use the apps.

It’s pretty dystopian my TV spying on me for sure but they’ve already got my phone, my internet history and presumably some pretty good spy satellites

If a drone has my name on it I’m done for either way

Re: Microsoft Copilot AI Comes to LG TVs, and Can't Be Deleted

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My rule for modern TVs: 1. Never connect the TV panel itself to the internet. Keep it air-gapped. Treat it solely as a dumb monitor. 2. Use an Apple TV for the "smart" features. 3. Avoid Fire TV, Chromecast, or Roku. The logic is simple, Google (Chromecast) and Amazon (Fire TV) operate on the same business model as the TV manufacturers subsidized hardware in exchange for user data and ad inventory. Apple is the only…

OG Chromecast is specifically being phased out because it doesn't offer the same level of control as the current crop of "smart" TVs/devices.

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Put your "smart" TV behind a Linux HTPC or a free/libre Android ROM and never, ever allow it to communicate over the Internet.

There have been reports of TVs with wi-fi managing to find an open network nearby and using that to get access to its updates and to send its telemetry. Having to physically hack a TV to disable its wi-fi is just.. At this point maybe a monitor is actucally the better choice even if the cost is high.

Re: Microsoft Copilot AI Comes to LG TVs, and Can't Be Deleted

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I wonder if it is possible to install a standard Linux distro on LG TVs. There is KDE Plasma Bigscreen for a TV-like experience on such distros. https://plasma-bigscreen.org/ If not, there are some webOS exploits on this wiki page: https://wiki.debian.org/Exploits Hopefully the Vizio lawsuit will mean the right to repair software comes to TVs more easily. https://sfconservancy.org/copyleft-compliance/vizio.html

I would love to have this at home on one of the random boxes lying around. But is there a way yet to play Netflix &co in hd ?

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Google Meet comes by default on some Samsung TV, cannot be deleted, or disabled, and neither can the microphone permission be remove from it. Smart TVs, more like Spy TVs today.

Years ago my Sony TV came with Google Assistant enabled, and when I disabled it, it nagged me for a long time to turn it back on until I installed some launcher that finally shut off all the nags and full screen ads. The biggest button on the remote is Google Assistant and I have to keep a careful eye on whoever's using it so that they don't accidentally re-enable it.

Cover the button in epoxy..

Re: Microsoft Copilot AI Comes to LG TVs, and Can't Be Deleted

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My rule for modern TVs: 1. Never connect the TV panel itself to the internet. Keep it air-gapped. Treat it solely as a dumb monitor. 2. Use an Apple TV for the "smart" features. 3. Avoid Fire TV, Chromecast, or Roku. The logic is simple, Google (Chromecast) and Amazon (Fire TV) operate on the same business model as the TV manufacturers subsidized hardware in exchange for user data and ad inventory. Apple is the only…

> My rule for modern TVs: > 1. Never connect the TV panel itself to the internet. Keep it air-gapped. Treat it solely as a dumb monitor. A sensible rule, indeed. Next level of dystopia: cellular modems becoming so cheap that every TV, fridge and washing machine comes with one that connects it to the Internet whether you like it or not. And then when we Faraday cage those, the device refuses to function. Laws need to…

> Next level of dystopia: cellular modems becoming so cheap that every TV, fridge and washing machine comes with one that connects it to the Internet whether you like it or not.

That's already a reality with cars in Europe.

Re: Microsoft Copilot AI Comes to LG TVs, and Can't Be Deleted

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My rule for modern TVs: 1. Never connect the TV panel itself to the internet. Keep it air-gapped. Treat it solely as a dumb monitor. 2. Use an Apple TV for the "smart" features. 3. Avoid Fire TV, Chromecast, or Roku. The logic is simple, Google (Chromecast) and Amazon (Fire TV) operate on the same business model as the TV manufacturers subsidized hardware in exchange for user data and ad inventory. Apple is the only…

OG Chromecast is specifically being phased out because it doesn't offer the same level of control as the current crop of "smart" TVs/devices.

I image they will be much sought-after, unless you are suggesting they are being bricked
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