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Google de-indexed Bear Blog and I don't know why

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Re: Google de-indexed Bear Blog and I don't know why

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Post by skeptic_ai »

g947o wrote: post #72
xnx wrote: post #60

The author doesn't know the cause but states "The whole affair is Google’s fault"?

There are three possibilities: Author's fault, Google's fault, someone else's fault. From the post, while it is hard to completely rule out the possibility that author did something wrong, they likely did everything they could to remove the suspicion. I assume they consulted all documentation or other resources. Someone else's fault? It is unlikely, since there isn't (obviously) another party involved here. Which lea…

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Re: Google de-indexed Bear Blog and I don't know why

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Post by Aachen »

dazc wrote: post #110
p410n3 wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you have any resources here? The /r/seo subreddit seems vers superficial coming from an web agency background so its hard to find legit cases versus obvious oversights. Often people make a post describing a legit sounding issue on there just to let it shine through that they are essentially doing seo spam.

It's something you'll experience if you publish many sites over time. Can't point to any definitive sources, many of the reputable search related blogs are now just Google shills.

Or if you search for content which you know exists on the web and it suddenly takes an unusual amount of coaxing (e.g. half a sentence in quotes, if you remember it correctly word for word) before it brings up the page you're looking for

Like, isn't this a well-known thing that happens constantly no matter if you're a user or run any websites? Relying on search engine ranking algorithms is russian roulette for businesses sadly, at least unless you outbid the competition to show your own page as an advertisement when someone searches your business' name

Re: Google de-indexed Bear Blog and I don't know why

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Post by ethbr1 »

_heimdall wrote: post #136
PrairieFire wrote: post #131

Whether or not this specific author’s blog was de-indexed or de-prioritized, the issue this surfaces is real and genuine. The real issue at hand here is that it’s difficult to impossible to discover why, or raise an effective appeal, when one runs afoul of Google, or suspects they have. I shudder to use this word as I do think in some contexts it’s being overused, I think it’s the best word to use here though: the is…

The situation reads more like a monopoly issue rather than a gatekeeper issue. Because google owns the indexer and the search tool most used, they're really only gate keeping their own sandbox.

It's entirely possible to have utility-importance non-monopoly gatekeepers, which is part of the legal issue.

The US regulates monopolies.

The US regulates utilities, defined by ~1910 industries.

It doesn't generally regulate non-monopoly companies that are gatekeepers.

Hence, Apple/Google/Facebook et al. have been able to avoid regulation by avoiding being classed as monopolies.

Imho, the EU is taking the right approach: also classify sub-monopoly entities with large market shares, and apply regulatory requirements on them.

I'd expect the US to use a lighter touch, and I'm fine with that, but regulations need to more than 'no touch'. It'd also be nice if they were bucketed and scaled (e.g. minimal requirements for 10-20%, more for 21-50%, max for 50%+).

Re: Google de-indexed Bear Blog and I don't know why

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Post by dangus »

ethbr1 wrote: post #143
_heimdall wrote: post #136

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The situation reads more like a monopoly issue rather than a gatekeeper issue. Because google owns the indexer and the search tool most used, they're really only gate keeping their own sandbox.

It's entirely possible to have utility-importance non-monopoly gatekeepers, which is part of the legal issue. The US regulates monopolies. The US regulates utilities, defined by ~1910 industries. It doesn't generally regulate non-monopoly companies that are gatekeepers. Hence, Apple/Google/Facebook et al. have been able to avoid regulation by avoiding being classed as monopolies. Imho, the EU is taking the right appr…

I’m really hoping the pendulum swings back to sanity in the US rather than becoming a Russia-like mafia business state.

It’s possible the only hope is a painful one: a major market crash caused by greed and excessive consolidation, the kind of crash that would trigger a 21st century new deal.

Re: Google de-indexed Bear Blog and I don't know why

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Post by Aachen »

inglor_cz wrote: post #55

At the risk of sounding crazy, I de-indexed my blog myself and rely on the mailing list (which is now approaching 5000 subscribers) + reprints in several other online media to get traffic to me. On a good day, I get 5000 hits, which is quite a lot by Czech language community standards. Together with deleting my Facebook and Twitter accounts, this removed a lot of pressure to conform to their unclear policies. Especia…

Similar here. I've removed my websites from Google so people would find that other engines can return more complete results. People can find the content using any other engine (or LLM) or links in relevant places. Using anything but the monopolist should pay off until it's no longer a monopoly, or at least not one abused to gain power in other markets like by advertising their browser product on the homepage and not allowing anyone else to advertise there (much less for free)

Re: Google de-indexed Bear Blog and I don't know why

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Post by weird-eye-issue »

Barbing wrote: post #137
margalabargala wrote: post #115

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If I'm reading correctly, it's not that your search results would be crawled, it's that if you created a link to www.theirwebsite.com/search/?q=yourspamlinkhere.com or otherwise submitted that link to google for crawling, then the google crawler makes the same search and sees the spam link prominently displayed.

Yikes. What could Google do to mitigate?

You noindex search pages or anything user generated, it's really that simple

Re: Google de-indexed Bear Blog and I don't know why

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Post by firefoxd »

Barbing wrote: post #137
margalabargala wrote: post #115

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If I'm reading correctly, it's not that your search results would be crawled, it's that if you created a link to www.theirwebsite.com/search/?q=yourspamlinkhere.com or otherwise submitted that link to google for crawling, then the google crawler makes the same search and sees the spam link prominently displayed.

Yikes. What could Google do to mitigate?

In this case, all i had to do was let the crawler know not to index the search page. I used the robots noindex meta tag on the search page.

Re: Google de-indexed Bear Blog and I don't know why

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Post by 0xbadcafebee »

vladms wrote: post #28
0xbadcafebee wrote: post #8

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That literally already exists and nobody uses it. Gnutella. Jabber. Tor. IPFS. Mastodon. The Entire Fucking IPv4/IPv6 Address Space And Every Layer Built On Top Of It. (if you don't think the internet is p2p, you don't understand how it works) You know what else we need? We need food to be free. We need medicine to be free, especially medicines which end epidemics and transmissible disease. We need education to be fr…

I do not think free is attainable for everything due to thermodynamics constraints. Imagine "free energy". Everybody uses as much as they want, Earth heats up, things go bad (not far from what is actually happening!). I would settle for simpler, attainable things. Equal opportunity for next generation. Quality education for everybody. Focus on merit not other characteristics. Personal freedom if it does not infringe…

We already have excesses of everything needed to provide for people's basic needs for no extra cost. We have excess food, excess land for housing, and we already pay for free emergency services, which actually costs us much more than if we fixed problems before they became emergencies. (And if there were a need for extra cost, we have massive wealth inequality that can be adjusted, not to mention things like massive military budgets and unfair medical pricing)
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