Rivian Unveils Custom Silicon, R2 Lidar Roadmap, and Universal Hands Free

Post by cyberax » Thu, Dec 11, 2025, 9:34 PM UTC

behnamoh wrote: post #79

TulliusCicero wrote: post #18

Autonomy subscriptions are how things are going to go, I called this a long time ago. It makes too much sense in terms of continuous development and operations/support to not have a subscription -- and subscriptions will likely double as insurance at some point in the future (once the car is driving itself 100% of the time, and liability is always with the self driving stack anyway). Of course, people won't like this…

Imagine having a vehicle with +680 hp (or 1000 hp in case of Rivian quad) and then drive it autonomously... sigh where's the fun in that?

Post by general1465 » Thu, Dec 11, 2025, 9:35 PM UTC

TulliusCicero wrote: post #18

Autonomy subscriptions are how things are going to go, I called this a long time ago. It makes too much sense in terms of continuous development and operations/support to not have a subscription -- and subscriptions will likely double as insurance at some point in the future (once the car is driving itself 100% of the time, and liability is always with the self driving stack anyway). Of course, people won't like this…

Post by typewithrhythm » Thu, Dec 11, 2025, 9:36 PM UTC

bryanlarsen wrote: post #117

phkahler wrote: post #115

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>> Waymo data shows a significant injury reduction rate. If it's true and not manipulated data, it's natural for the car companies to want to capture some of this upside. If you can insure the car for less, the car company can charge more for the car. I don't want to pay a subscription (rent) for a car I buy.

I think you're in the minority. I can't find the reference, but I believe more customers are willing to pay $100/month for Tesla FSD than are willing to pay $10K once.

Post by typewithrhythm » Thu, Dec 11, 2025, 9:42 PM UTC

ShakataGaNai wrote: post #137

bjord wrote: post #2

is everyone designing their own silicon getting so much additional them-specific utility out of it that it's actually worth it?

I would wager that's because there isn't a lot of existing silicon that fits the bill. What COTS equipment is there that has all the CPU/Tensor horsepower these systems need... AND is reasonably power efficient AND is rated for a vehicle (wild temp extremes like -20F to 150F+, constant vibration, slams and impacts... and will keep working for 15 years). Yea, Tesla has some. But they aren't sharing their secret sauce.…

Post by margalabargala » Thu, Dec 11, 2025, 9:45 PM UTC

whimsicalism wrote: post #140

margalabargala wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> the alternative would be a corporation constantly providing -- for free -- updates and even support if your car gets into an accident or stuck. That's one alternative. Another alternative would be that you get what you get at purchase time, and you have to buy a new car to get the newest update. "Continuous development" isn't always a selling point when it's something with your life in its hands. A great example is…

> Another alternative would be that you get what you get at purchase time, and you have to buy a new car to get the newest update. Doubt that is a politically tenable model. "You're telling me my son Bobby died in a crash that could have been prevented with finished software but they only roll it out to people who have the money for a new car despite no technical limitation?" -- yeah, good luck