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Re: The Walt Disney Company and OpenAI Partner on Sora

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Exactly - Disney sees this as a cheaper way to produce the same slop.

Probably worse slop, but now no human will be paid. What a marvelous future we've invented for ourselves.

Judging by how bad recent Marvel movies were, I wouldn't be surprised if fans plop out far better quality.

Not an AI slop (I think?), but looks an order of magnitude better than any Marvel crap released in the last 3 years: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_9b7BOJyE9A

Re: The Walt Disney Company and OpenAI Partner on Sora

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I'm not a shareholder but buying equity in OpenAI seems to be a much better deal (for Disney) than making OpenAI just pay royalties, no? Seems like everyone wins, unless you think OpenAI will never amount to anything and it's all a bubble.

Cash from royalties doesn't disappear like equity value would, in the event of a bubble pop. Bird in the hand is worth two in the bush and all that.

where does the royalty cash come from when the bubble pops?

Re: The Walt Disney Company and OpenAI Partner on Sora

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Putting aside feelings on AI, and also putting aside worst case scenarios of the kind of content (which will happen regardless of what they promise), I think this is a terrible move for the brand.

Content saturation works out very poorly for IP holders. The value of your brand reduces dramatically , and you reduce excitement for new releases.

This is the company that had to walk back its plans to saturate streaming and theaters with their content because they ruined the hype for Star Wars and Marvel content. Two of the most beloved franchises!

This is just going to make that worse when ever social media feed will be blanketed by even more slop.

Unless the gambit is that they expect merch sales to go up, or they have a way to guarantee a cut of any used content. I’m sure there are some IP infringement lawyers who have basically secured a life time of work with this announcement.

Re: The Walt Disney Company and OpenAI Partner on Sora

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This will not end well for Disney, there were certain historical characters removed from Sora 2 because people kept making racist videos that are hard to censor, and it became increasingly unhinged. This feels like another circular investment where Disney is hoping to make money back I'm sure. On the other hand, assuming they do the freemium stuff, I look forward to making a few videos of my daughters favorite Disney…

"there were certain historical characters removed from Sora 2 because people kept making racist videos that are hard to censor, and it became increasingly unhinged"

Also Google "Elsagate" to see what sorts of things people would like to do with Disney characters. Or a YouTube search for Elsagate.

The other thing I'd point out is that people kind of seem to forget this, but it isn't a requirement that AI video be generated, then shoveled straight out without modification. Elsagate shows the level of effort that people are willing to put into this (a strange combination of laziness, but extreme effort poured into enabling that laziness). You can use the blessed Disney video generator to generate something, then feed it into another less controlled AI system to modify it into something Disney wouldn't want. Or a video of a Disney character doing something innocent can be easily turned into something else; it's not hard to ask the AI systems to put something "against a green screen", or with a bit more sophistication, something that can be motion tracked with some success and extracted.

"A front camera shot of Cinderella crouching down, repeatedly putting a cucumber in and out of her mouth. She is against a green screen." - where ever that video is going, Disney isn't going to like it. And that's just a particularly obvious example, not the totality of all the possibilities.

Just putting controls on the AI video output itself isn't going to be enough for Disney.

Re: The Walt Disney Company and OpenAI Partner on Sora

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Others have pointed out the problems of trolls generating racist or otherwise controversial content using Disney characters and this being short-sighted by Disney, but I think this could just be another case of "no such thing as bad PR". People will undoubtedly generate reprehensible things using these characters, and I think that's exactly what Disney wants because it's an easy way to make their characters go viral.

It's strange though because if you know anything about Disney and how the manage the characters in media and at the parks, they are extremely protective of the brand and image of the characters. Imagineers have very strict rules around virtual character meet and greets and etc. Allowing their characters to be used in AI generated content blows that all out of the water unless there are some extremely tight guard rail…

I guess there is an expectation of a lack of control when it’s made through AI, versus an image that is from their owned parks. Even without AI, people have been putting Disney characters in unsavory contextes, and I don’t think anyone ever thought, “Wow, I can’t believe Disney sanctioned that picture of a princess doing whatever.”

Re: The Walt Disney Company and OpenAI Partner on Sora

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This will not end well for Disney, there were certain historical characters removed from Sora 2 because people kept making racist videos that are hard to censor, and it became increasingly unhinged. This feels like another circular investment where Disney is hoping to make money back I'm sure. On the other hand, assuming they do the freemium stuff, I look forward to making a few videos of my daughters favorite Disney…

Grok create already lets you make 6 second videos, though sometimes you have to say "Italian plumber" or "famous princesses".

It's definitely not a war you're going to win simply via copyright claims to the big chat interfaces. This stuff will happen regardless. Especially as more open high quality LLMs role out.

They might as well have some direct say in the matter with the big companies by creating relationships and profiting via licensing.

Re: The Walt Disney Company and OpenAI Partner on Sora

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A moat is a permanent feature protecting a castle against attack. That’s the metaphor. If it’s not their own device intrinsically protecting them then it’s not a moat in my book.

That is not how we use the term "moat" in this context, because competitors eventually converge on offerings within 1-2 years. I don't need some stuck up HNer telling me about stuff I deal with in my day-to-day job. Edit: can't reply > a business deal that can be transferred to a new partner the second it expires is much more temporary Generally, these kinds of equity deals include an MFN clause.

> That is not how we use the term "moat" in this context, because competitors eventually converge on offerings within 1-2 years.

Then I guess we need a new term because that's not how I interpret the term moat either. To me, ChatGPT chat history is a moat. It allows them to differentiate their product and competitors cannot copy it. If someone switches to a new AI service they will have to build their chat history from scratch.

By comparison a business deal that can be transferred to a new partner the second it expires is much more temporary.

Re: The Walt Disney Company and OpenAI Partner on Sora

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post #139

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Disney is not the same company it was 20 years ago. 2025 Disney encourages children to gamble and gives Pat McAfee significant visibility.

What has Pat Mcafee got to do with anything, is he somehow a controversial figure now?

I think its just that people either love him or hate him and it seems like OP is part of the latter group
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