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It’s time to free JavaScript (2024)

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Re: It’s time to free JavaScript (2024)

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Post by someguyiguess »

9rx wrote: post #89
philipwhiuk wrote: post #76

This is pointless. Oracle is not a democracy, it's a lawnmower.

Well, it's not up to Oracle. It is up to the US government (USPTO). Which you could make a strong case for also not being a democracy and rather a lawnmower... But I digress.

“I die,” grass

Re: It’s time to free JavaScript (2024)

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Post by nextaccountic »

siwatanejo wrote: post #3

I actually think that people should rather use EcmaScript name instead of JavaScript, because it's a way better name (much less confusing, given that this lang doesn't have anything to do with Java anyway). I wish Oracle started suing people to force everyone to use the better name.

Filename extension is .js, mime type is text/javascript, millions of people call it javascript. I don't see this changing anytime soon

Unrelated but, the JavaScript capitalization is so odd

Re: It’s time to free JavaScript (2024)

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Post by shevy-java »

giancarlostoro wrote: post #139
siwatanejo wrote: post #3

I actually think that people should rather use EcmaScript name instead of JavaScript, because it's a way better name (much less confusing, given that this lang doesn't have anything to do with Java anyway). I wish Oracle started suing people to force everyone to use the better name.

I am going to sound crazy, but, if Microsoft would free up TypeScript and every browser added native TypeScript features to JavaScript… and then we all just started calling it TypeScript. Maybe? Then you would see native ts files. Oracle will never give up JS. The funny thing is the number of people who confuse Java and JS.

From experience, corporations usually don't give the general public any trademarked name. I assume TypeScript is trademarked right now; and I doubt Microsoft would ever liberate this. So in this regard, the corporations act in the same manner - selfish.

Re: It’s time to free JavaScript (2024)

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Post by [deleted] »

falcor84 wrote: post #22
siwatanejo wrote: post #3

I actually think that people should rather use EcmaScript name instead of JavaScript, because it's a way better name (much less confusing, given that this lang doesn't have anything to do with Java anyway). I wish Oracle started suing people to force everyone to use the better name.

But everyone already calls it JS. I think the transition would have been so much easier if the official name started with "J".

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Re: It’s time to free JavaScript (2024)

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Post by roywiggins »

psychoslave wrote: post #137
siwatanejo wrote: post #3

I actually think that people should rather use EcmaScript name instead of JavaScript, because it's a way better name (much less confusing, given that this lang doesn't have anything to do with Java anyway). I wish Oracle started suing people to force everyone to use the better name.

That’s not retrocompatible with all the .js files out there though. One possibility is thus just make some vocalic derivation, which align with well known spontaneous evolution of languages like ablaut[1]. Following that, and keeping the dance connotation, jive [2] is an option. Or closer on phonetic distance to java (/ˈd͡ʒɑː.və/), there is jovial (/ˈd͡ʒəʊ.vɪ.əl/ or /ˈd͡ʒoʊ.vɪ.əl/ or /ˈd͡ʒoʊ.vəl/)[3]. Might our jovia…

.js, short for jecmascript, easy

Re: It’s time to free JavaScript (2024)

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Post by Vinnl »

giancarlostoro wrote: post #139
siwatanejo wrote: post #3

I actually think that people should rather use EcmaScript name instead of JavaScript, because it's a way better name (much less confusing, given that this lang doesn't have anything to do with Java anyway). I wish Oracle started suing people to force everyone to use the better name.

I am going to sound crazy, but, if Microsoft would free up TypeScript and every browser added native TypeScript features to JavaScript… and then we all just started calling it TypeScript. Maybe? Then you would see native ts files. Oracle will never give up JS. The funny thing is the number of people who confuse Java and JS.

An important feature of TypeScript is identifying problems in your code before the user runs it, i.e. before a browser even comes into play.

Re: It’s time to free JavaScript (2024)

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Post by II2II »

karel-3d wrote: post #35

They now have GoFundMe where they are soliciting donations for a discovery phase of a patent trademark cancellation request. They have just 50k USD out of 200k USD they are raising. (No idea if that's appropriate; from the outside, it seems like a lot of money, but also they are fighting Oracle which has unlimited money, so, yeah) For some reason it's not linked in the page itself. https://www.gofundme.com/f/help-us-…

Wouldn't Oracle's use of the Java trademark be problematic in a trademark cancellation request? We're talking about two very similar names for identical product types (i.e. programming languages). Indeed the similarity was originally intended to imply an association. I wouldn't be surprised if Oracle's sole interest in the trademark is due to its similarity and history.
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