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Zig quits GitHub, says Microsoft's AI obsession has ruined the service

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Re: Zig quits GitHub, says Microsoft's AI obsession has ruined the service

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Actually I think that's roughly how threat analysis works though.

For threat analysis, you need to know how hard you are to break in, what the incentives are, and who your potential adversaries are. For each potential adversary, you list the risk strategy; that's threat analysis 101. E.g. you have a locked door, some valuables, and your opponent is the state-level. Risk strategy: ignore, no door you can afford will be able to stop a state-level actor.

I concur the question, "Who would have an incentive to spend resources on DDoS'ing Codeberg?" is a bit convoluted in mixing incentive and resources. But it's still, exactly, threat analysis, just not very useful threat analysis.

Re: Zig quits GitHub, says Microsoft's AI obsession has ruined the service

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Maintain on codeberg, mirror to GH. Tell everyone to contribute on CB done.

One problem is that GH gives you no way to disable PRs. And even if you write in BIG BOLD LETTERS that PRs should be on Codeberg not GH, people get upset and make a fuss over their "ignored" PRs and it ends up making unnecessary headaches for you over and over.

Re: Zig quits GitHub, says Microsoft's AI obsession has ruined the service

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IMHO, the main advantage of github is that it is an ecosystem. This is a well-thought-out Swiss knife: a pioneering (but no longer new) PR system, convenient issues, as well as a well-formed CI system with many developed actions and free runners. In addition, it is best to use code navigation simply in a web browser. You write code, and almost everything works effortlessly. Having a sponsorship system is also great,…

I don't agree with this at all. I think the reason Github is so prominent is the social network aspects it has built around Git, which created strong network effects that most developers are unwilling to part with. Maintainers don't want to loose their stars and the users don't want to loose the collective "audit" by the github users. Things like number of stars on a repository, number of forks, number of issues answ…

> Maintainers don't want to loose their stars

??? Seriously?

> All these things are powerful indicators of quality

Not in my experience....

Re: Zig quits GitHub, says Microsoft's AI obsession has ruined the service

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The edit history of the announcement is quite a ride: > [2025-11-27T02:10:07Z] it’s abundantly clear that the talented folks who used to work on the product have moved on to bigger and better things, with the remaining losers eager to inflict some kind of bloated, buggy JavaScript framework on us in the name of progress [1] > [2025-11-27T14:04:47Z] it’s abundantly clear that the talented folks who used to work on the…

At least he edited it to something more palatable. I vastly prefer someone who can admit to making a mistake and amending what they said to someone who doubles down. The latter attitude has become far too normalised in the last few years.

Re: Zig quits GitHub, says Microsoft's AI obsession has ruined the service

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The edit history of the announcement is quite a ride: > [2025-11-27T02:10:07Z] it’s abundantly clear that the talented folks who used to work on the product have moved on to bigger and better things, with the remaining losers eager to inflict some kind of bloated, buggy JavaScript framework on us in the name of progress [1] > [2025-11-27T14:04:47Z] it’s abundantly clear that the talented folks who used to work on the…

On the previous HN article, I recall many a comment talking about how they should change this, leave the politics/negative juju out because it was a bad look for the Zig community.

It would appear they listened to that feedback, swallowed their ego/pride and did what was best for the Zig community with these edits. I commend them for their actions in doing what's best for the community at the cost of some personal mea culpa edits.

Re: Zig quits GitHub, says Microsoft's AI obsession has ruined the service

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I don't agree with this at all. I think the reason Github is so prominent is the social network aspects it has built around Git, which created strong network effects that most developers are unwilling to part with. Maintainers don't want to loose their stars and the users don't want to loose the collective "audit" by the github users. Things like number of stars on a repository, number of forks, number of issues answ…

You don't need to develop on Github to get this, just mirror your repo.

that's not enough, i still have to engage with contributors on github. on issues and pull requests at a minimum.

Re: Zig quits GitHub, says Microsoft's AI obsession has ruined the service

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IMHO, the main advantage of github is that it is an ecosystem. This is a well-thought-out Swiss knife: a pioneering (but no longer new) PR system, convenient issues, as well as a well-formed CI system with many developed actions and free runners. In addition, it is best to use code navigation simply in a web browser. You write code, and almost everything works effortlessly. Having a sponsorship system is also great,…

Underrated feature is the code search. Everyone starts out thinking they’ll just slap elastic search or similar in front of the code but it’s more nuanced than that. GitHub built a bespoke code search engine and published a detailed blog post about it afterwards.

Re: Zig quits GitHub, says Microsoft's AI obsession has ruined the service

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I have sympathy for some of the GitHub complaints. otoh just went to try to signup for Codeberg and it's down ... 95% uptime over the last 2 weeks? https://status.codeberg.org/status/codeberg

One can always host Forgejo themselves if a service level has to be kept under control. With Github that’s not even an option.

I would even consider that moving everything from one single point of failure to an other is not the brightest move.

Re: Zig quits GitHub, says Microsoft's AI obsession has ruined the service

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't agree with this at all. I think the reason Github is so prominent is the social network aspects it has built around Git, which created strong network effects that most developers are unwilling to part with. Maintainers don't want to loose their stars and the users don't want to loose the collective "audit" by the github users. Things like number of stars on a repository, number of forks, number of issues answ…

> Maintainers don't want to loose their stars ??? Seriously? > All these things are powerful indicators of quality Not in my experience....

Why are you as surprised?

People don't just share their stargazing plots "for fun", but because it has meaning for them.

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