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Re: Search tool that only returns content created before ChatGPT's public release

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Post by bratwurst3000 » Mon, Dec 01, 2025, 10:06 AM UTC

kuschku wrote: post #102

oniony wrote: post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I cannot remember ever reading a book where there was a space around the dashes.

That depends on the language — whereas German puts spaces around —, English afaik usually doesn’t. Similarly, French puts spaces before and after ? ! while English and German only put spaces afterwards. [EDIT: I originally wrote that French treats . , ! ? specially. In reality, french only treats ? and ! specially.]

french does "," and "." like the british and germans the rest is space befor space after

Re: Search tool that only returns content created before ChatGPT's public release

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Post by gilleain » Mon, Dec 01, 2025, 10:08 AM UTC

_kb wrote: post #85

bigiain wrote: post #75

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> we called it "standing on the shoulders of giants" We do not see nearly so far though. Because these days we are standing on the shoulders of giants that have been put into a blender and ground down into a slippery pink paste and levelled out to a statistically typical 7.3mm high layer of goo.

The secret is you then have to heat up that goo. When the temperature gets high enough things get interesting again.

You get Flubber?

Re: Search tool that only returns content created before ChatGPT's public release

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Post by stinos » Mon, Dec 01, 2025, 10:08 AM UTC

k_roy wrote: post #5

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I don't agree it is 'almost worse' than the slop but it sure can be annoying. On one hand it seems even somewhat positive that some people developed a more critical attitude and question things they see, on the other hand they're not critical enough to realize their own criticism might be invalid. Plus I feel bad for all the resources (both human and machine) wasted on this. Like perfectly normal things being shown, but people not knowing anything about the subject chiming in to claim that it must be AI because they see something they do not fully understand.

Re: Search tool that only returns content created before ChatGPT's public release

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Post by pseidemann » Mon, Dec 01, 2025, 10:09 AM UTC

jrjfjgkrj wrote: post #47

swyx wrote: post #4

somebody said once we are mining "low-background tokens" like we are mining low-background (radiation) steel post WW2 and i couldnt shake the concept out of my head (wrote up in https://www.latent.space/i/139368545/the-concept-of-low-back... - but ironically repeating something somebody else said online is kinda what i'm willingly participating in, and it's unclear why human-origin tokens should be that much higher s…

every human generation built upon the slop of the previous one but we appreciated that, we called it "standing on the shoulders of giants"

You may have one point.

The industrial age was built on dinosaur slop, and they were giant.

Re: Search tool that only returns content created before ChatGPT's public release

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Post by theodric » Mon, Dec 01, 2025, 10:09 AM UTC

This tool has no future. We have that in common with it, I fear.

What we really need to do is build an AI tool to filter out the AI automatically. Anybody want to help me found this company?

Re: Search tool that only returns content created before ChatGPT's public release

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Post by justinclift » Mon, Dec 01, 2025, 10:10 AM UTC

amelius wrote: post #140

justinclift wrote: post #124

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Are you aware of Kagi (kagi.com)? With them, at least the AI stuff can be turned off. Membership is presently about 61k, and seems to be growing about 2k per month: https://kagi.com/stats

Be aware of: https://www.reddit.com/r/SearchKagi/comments/1gvlqhm/disappo...

Damn. I didn't know that.

Now we need a 2nd Kagi, so we can switch to that one instead. :(

Re: Search tool that only returns content created before ChatGPT's public release

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Post by robot-wrangler » Mon, Dec 01, 2025, 10:22 AM UTC

shevy-java wrote: post #119

> This is a search tool that will only return content created before ChatGPT's first public release on November 30, 2022. The problem is that Google's search engine - but, oddly enough, ALL search engines - got worse before that already. I noticed that search engines got worse several years before 2022. So, AI further decreased the quality, but the quality had a downwards trend already, as it was. There are some atte…

> Google made the search results worse here

Did you mean:

worse results near me

are worse results worth it

worse results net worth

best worse results

worse results reddit

Re: Search tool that only returns content created before ChatGPT's public release

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Post by smusamashah » Mon, Dec 01, 2025, 10:24 AM UTC

amelius wrote: post #140

justinclift wrote: post #124

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are you aware of Kagi (kagi.com)? With them, at least the AI stuff can be turned off. Membership is presently about 61k, and seems to be growing about 2k per month: https://kagi.com/stats

Be aware of: https://www.reddit.com/r/SearchKagi/comments/1gvlqhm/disappo...

There are few other powerful countries, with countless Web services, who freely wages war(s) on other countries and support wars in many different ways. Is there a way to avoid their products?

Re: Search tool that only returns content created before ChatGPT's public release

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Post by eirini1 » Mon, Dec 01, 2025, 10:24 AM UTC

amelius wrote: post #140

justinclift wrote: post #124

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are you aware of Kagi (kagi.com)? With them, at least the AI stuff can be turned off. Membership is presently about 61k, and seems to be growing about 2k per month: https://kagi.com/stats

Be aware of: https://www.reddit.com/r/SearchKagi/comments/1gvlqhm/disappo...

I don't agree with this logic. It implies that people who use Google, Bing and a million other products made by US-based companies are supportive of the huge amount of attrocities commited or aided by the United States. Or other countries. It feels very odd to single out Russia's invasion of Ukraine but to minimize the Israeli genocide of palestinians in Gaza, the multiple unjust wars waged by the United States all over the world etc.

Re: Search tool that only returns content created before ChatGPT's public release

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Post by GTP » Mon, Dec 01, 2025, 10:29 AM UTC

trinix912 wrote: post #138

master-lincoln wrote: post #136

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I think this is about trustworthy content, not about a good search engine per se

But it's not necessarily trustworthy content, we had autogenerated listicles and keyword list sites before ChatGPT.

Sure, but I think that the underlying assumption is that, after the public release of ChatGPT, the amount of autogenerated content on the web became significantly bigger. Plus, the auto-generated content was easier to spot before.