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Re: Bazzite: Operating System for Linux gaming

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Post by dralley »

Night_Thastus wrote: post #120
d3Xt3r wrote: post #117

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's mainly an nVidia issue. On AMD, Linux is actually faster and more stable compared to Windows.

There seems to be little evidence of that, at least from a reputable source. For some games it can be. For some games Proton performs far worse than Windows. It's not steady across the board. And some have stability issues, bugs, major performance problems, or just flat out don't work. I want Proton to be the future as well, but I think it's important not to oversell it as a drop-in replacement either. EDIT: GN highl…

From personal experience, all of the games that I personally play seem to work at least as well if not better on Linux than Windows. The only exception is FSR4, but that ought to be fixed soon.

Re: Bazzite: Operating System for Linux gaming

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Post by boatsie »

wiradikusuma wrote: post #126

I want to create a "gaming streaming platform" like Stadia as a weekend project, does anyone know where to get started? Basically where the input device and the game are in different machines.

Moonlight does this if you are just looking for a solution.

Re: Bazzite: Operating System for Linux gaming

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Post by d3Xt3r »

keyle wrote: post #92

Two distros with fairly similar ideas have showed up for the "replacement for windows" recently[1]. Zorin OS and Bazzite... I was hoping someone who has tried both could enlighten me as to why one is better than the other? [1] I say recently because I'm not following linux very closely.

No offense, but they're about as similar as apples are to oranges: yes they're both fruits, but they're very different kind of fruits.

Zorin is a more "traditional" OS, where things work like most PC operating systems, whereas Bazzite is an immutable OS with atomic updates. Immutable means the core system files are read-only, which makes it less susceptible to corruption and breakage (due to user error or malware). Atomic updates means updates either apply or don't: there's no partial/failed state that can break your PC.

Updates are also image-based, where your entire OS image gets updated in one go, kinda like how mobile OS's work - this means there's no chance of package conflict/version/dependency issues that can sometimes plague regular Linux distros like Zorin. This also means that major OS upgrades are trivial - they're treated like any other update. In Zorin and even Windows for that matter, major OS upgrades are always messy, and there's a chance something can break or get corrupted. You don't have that issue with immutable, image-based distros like Bazzite.

The only area where Zorin would be better is in low-level customisability - like say, you want to switch out your kernel to a custom kernel, or use a different DE, or change login managers etc. You can do that in an immutable system, as these are core components. But most people don't do this, so for regular users, an immutable system like Bazzite would be a much better choice.

Re: Bazzite: Operating System for Linux gaming

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Post by sbarre »

d3Xt3r wrote: post #127
sbarre wrote: post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Honest question: given all the companies and people working on anti-cheat systems for the last 20+ years of multiplayer video games, don't you think it would all be server-side if it could be, by now?

No, because most companies will make decisions based on time/effort/profitability, and because client-side anticheat is stupid simple and cheap, that's what they go with. Why waste their own server resources, when they can waste the user's?

Alright then, sounds like you've got it all figured out.

Re: Bazzite: Operating System for Linux gaming

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Post by zanmat0 »

I really wanted to give this a legitimate try but even following the installation instructions to the letter, it bricked my Windows install and I had to spend a few hours fixing the MBR, Bootloader, etc. I'm sure it would be a breeze using a separate physical drive but that'll be a project for another day.

Bazzite does look very promising and happy to see innovation in the Linux gaming world!

Re: Bazzite: Operating System for Linux gaming

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Post by d3Xt3r »

matthewfcarlson wrote: post #86
brianwawok wrote: post #60

Greatly enjoying bazzite. Grabbed a Radeon 9070xt, hook it up to my 4k projector, and get to couch game. Looks a fair bit nicer than my Xbox, and steam is so much better than the Xbox online store.

I went to bazzite with a 4070ti super, is it worth going to a 9070xt? I've had graphical issues but a reboot always fixes it. The main menu UI is dog slow though (easily a half second of lag).

I can't speak for the 9070XT specifically (I'm on a 7800XT myself), but the thing with Linux in general is that nVidia can be a PITA sometimes and exhibit weird issues like your menu lag. If you want a first-class Linux experience then go all-AMD. I run Linux on four different classes of all-AMD computers (desktop, laptop, mini-PC and handheld) and have literally zero issues. In particular, I've been running Bazzite for about three years on two of my systems (PC and laptop) and it's been rock solid. Three years of updates and upgrades, with only one hiccup this one time on my PC (which wasn't a big deal either since I had pinned a good image versions to my boot menu, so I always have a good image I could boot into).

Re: Bazzite: Operating System for Linux gaming

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Post by thegeekpirate »

KyleGospo wrote: post #94
_cenw wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't doubt it, but I actually really hate that the build system is a bunch of bash scripts, github actions and assuming the previous stage builds fine. Especially when the custom image forkable repo has an action commented out to squeeze more temporary storage out of GHA hosted runners because some images don't even fit on those (like the gnome-deck). I wish the entire setup was a little more decoupled and maybe a…

Fork and remove this line: https://github.com/ublue-os/bazzite/blob/main/Containerfile#... Note that we remove rpm Firefox for security reasons. You do not want your browser to only update with your entire operating system.

Press "y" before linking to a Github file/line to ensure it stays accurate https://github.com/ublue-os/bazzite/blob/5e8f61a56ca3da02778...

Re: Bazzite: Operating System for Linux gaming

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Post by d3Xt3r »

subjectsigma wrote: post #49

Known Linux detractor, been sticking with Windows for years because I’ve had one too many ‘apt-get update’ brick my entire system. Decided to try out Bazzite specifically because of the immutable root partition thing. Overall I will say things are going like 80% smoothly but there are still some very Linux-y problems with it: The default grub has options for ostree:0 and ostree:1. 0 is the default and if you pick 0 i…

I run modded Skyrim (SE) via Steam on Bazzite, and it works fine. I just installed Vortex inside the same Proton prefix as Skyrim, installed all my mods via Vortex (and made sure there weren't any conflicts) and it all worked fine. I think I might've had to install .NET as well to get Vortex going, it's been a while so I don't recall, but there should be some update guide somewhere.

RE Anti-cheat, it's not ALL of them, it's only kernel-based ones. For eg, BattlEye, EAC, VAC, and nProtect Gameguard all work just fine, but of course, the game studio will need to enable that support. Arc Raiders, Marvel Rivals, Fall Guys etc all use anticheat and they work fine.

RE KDE, I haven't experienced most of those issues. I don't use Konsole (Ghostty is far better anyways). As for Discord, Equibop is a far better client compared to official.

RE GNOME, unfortunately GNOME and KDE have never really gotten along, personally I avoid GNOME/GTK apps are far as possible.

Re: Bazzite: Operating System for Linux gaming

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Post by birksherty »

Night_Thastus wrote: post #120
d3Xt3r wrote: post #117

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's mainly an nVidia issue. On AMD, Linux is actually faster and more stable compared to Windows.

There seems to be little evidence of that, at least from a reputable source. For some games it can be. For some games Proton performs far worse than Windows. It's not steady across the board. And some have stability issues, bugs, major performance problems, or just flat out don't work. I want Proton to be the future as well, but I think it's important not to oversell it as a drop-in replacement either. EDIT: GN highl…

Another video showing the difference: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fqIjUddUSo0
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