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210 IQ Is Not Enough

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Re: 210 IQ Is Not Enough

#141
post #86

> According to Yoo, by the time he was 1, her son learned both the Korean alphabet and 1,000 Chinese characters by studying the Thousand Character Classic, a sixth-century Chinese poem.[5] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kim_Ung-yong Is that true? How is that even possible? Like, biologically.

Not sure it is, so I assume a lot of stretching of the truth is involved. Most twelve month olds struggle to support their head, are just learning to shape their mouths to form syllables, and have only had eyes capable of resolving letters on a page for a few months. IQ won’t make blurry images sharp, or your neck muscles stronger.

> Most twelve month olds struggle to support their head

I don't know about the other claims, but this one is false. It would be somewhat concerning if a 6-month-old struggled to support their head.

Re: 210 IQ Is Not Enough

#142
Well of course it is not enough. This is well known.

"Success" is hard to nail down. Is it academic success? SES succes? Job performance? It's all over the map.

However we know that :

IQ is correlated with the above somewhere between 0.2 and 0.5, with many definitions and studies being near the top of that range.

Conscientiousness is correlated with the above somewhere between 0.2 and 0.3, with many definitions and studies being near the top of that range.

Low neuroticism is correlated with the above somewhere between 0.1 and 0.2, with many definitions and studies being near the top of that range.

And there are other "personality" metrics that have been studied. It is very easy for someone who has an exceptional IQ to be sert back by neuroticism for example and exceptional IQ is near useless if the person does not have the conscientiousness to follow through on tasks, these people will likely be exceptional a "shallow" tasks.

I think this is well trodden ground.

Re: 210 IQ Is Not Enough

#143
post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> As World's Highest IQ Record Holder, I expect #BITCOIN is going to $220,000 in the next 45 days. > I will use 100% of my Bitcoin profits to build churches for Jesus Christ in every nation. > “For with God nothing shall be impossible.” (Luke 1:37) Something tells me maybe he doesn't actually have an IQ of 276.

Don't legitimate IQ tests top out at 160 for adults?

Usually. There's diminishing returns the higher you go. The difference between 150 and 175 is much smaller than 125 and 150.

When you go from 30 seconds to 15 seconds to solve a problem, that's noticeable. But when you go from half a second to a quarter of a second, the difference doesn't really matter.

So a lot of IQ tests have some sort of ceiling where the only thing they can tell you is "Yeah, it's more than this".

Re: 210 IQ Is Not Enough

#144
post #107

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> What I deeply believe is: We're never going to invent superintelligence, not because its impossible for computers to achieve, but because we don't even know what intelligence is. Speak for yourself, not all of humanity. There are plenty of rigorous, mostly equivalent definitions for intelligence: The ability to find short programs that explain phenomena (compression). The capability to figure out how to do things (…

How do you measure the capacity for improvisational comedy? How do you measure a talent for telling convincing lies? How do you measure someone's capacity for innovating in a narrative medium? How do you measure someone's ability for psychological insight and a theory of self? How do you measure someone's capacity for understanding irony or picking up subtle social cues? Or for formulating effective metaphors and ana…

> How do you measure the capacity for improvisational comedy?

What makes something funny? Usually, it's by subverting someone's predictions. You have to be good at predicting other's predictions to do this well.

> How do you measure a talent for telling convincing lies?

You have to explain a phenomenon better than the truth to convince someone of your lie.

> How do you measure someone's capacity for innovating in a narrative medium?

As in, world-building? That is more of a memory problem than an intelligence problem, though you do need to be good at compressing the whole world into what is relevant to the story. People who are worse at that will have to take more notes and refer back to them more often.

> How do you measure someone's ability for psychological insight and a theory of self?

They are better at explaining a phenomenon (their self).

> How do you measure someone's capacity for understanding complex, multi-faceted irony or picking up subtle social cues?

Refer to the above. Also, using the adjectives 'complex, multi-faceted' is lazy here. Be more introspective and write what you really want to say.

> Or for formulating effective metaphors and analogies, or boiling down concepts eloquently?

Compression = finding short programs that recover the data.

> How about for mediating complex, multifaceted interpersonal conflicts effectively?

Quite often not an intelligence problem.

> How do you measure someone's capacity for empathy, which necessarily involves incredibly complex simulations and mental models of other people's minds?

"incredibly complex simulations and mental models of other people's minds," however will you do this? Oh, I know! Your brain will have to come up with a small circuit that compresses other people's brain pretty well, as it doesn't have enough capacity to just run the other brain.

> Do you think excelling in any of these doesn't require intelligence? You sound like you consider yourself quite intelligent, so are you excellent at all of them? No? How come?

I am actually pretty good at pretty much all of these compared to the average person.

Re: 210 IQ Is Not Enough

#145
post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, it is mathematically impossible. Traditional IQ tests have a mean/median of 100, and follow a normal distribution with standard-deviation of 15 points. So 270 would be 11 standard deviations above normal so 1 in 17,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 people.

So it is possible, and you just calculated the probability of that happening.

How many people would you estimate exist?

Re: 210 IQ Is Not Enough

#146
> Yes, he actively promotes poisonous rhetoric -- ignore that for now.

Saying someone is poisonous (watch this two hour YouTube video for why) is cheap.

Re: 210 IQ Is Not Enough

#147
post #3

There are no such thing as 210 IQ. It correlates to 7.3 sigma, meanwhile 7-sigma event has a probability of approximately 1 in 390 billion. We only have 8 billion humans on Earth. These absurd claims about IQ is almost evidence that the claimant are nowhere close. For starters, any IQ tests are not going to be normalized to that range because it is impossible to normalize to that range as there are 0 realistic sample…

That's not really how statistics works. It is not impossible to roll two sixes on a single roll of two dies because it is more likely you won't.

IQ isn't some intrinsic property that we can measure that has a probability distribution. It's something we construct to have a specific probability distribution. Essentially, you have >145 IQ not because 0.1% people happen to have that high of an IQ but because we define 145 IQ to be the cutoff between the smartest 0.1% of the population and the dumbest 99.9%.

As a consequence, an IQ above ~3 standard deviations is basically unmeasurable with more tests, and by 6 standard deviations I'm not sure is even possible to theoretically construct since I don't think what it's trying to measure can be meaningfully defined to discriminate the order of just 8 people on the entire planet.

Re: 210 IQ Is Not Enough

#148

My wife's nephew is the smartest person I've ever met (and I've met a lot of really smart people). Aced the SAT as a teen, and interned at JPL, etc. Got a free full ride, wherever he wanted. He got his undergraduate at CalTech. Ph.D at Some midwest college -a good one, but can't remember which one -may have been Urbana-Champagne. His mother was adamant that he have as normal a childhood as possible. She deliberately…

Wondering what being 'smart' means? Is it:

1. being right most of the time?

2. knowing a lot (breadth)?

3. knowing a couple things in depth?

4. knowing in breadth and depth?

5. understanding new things fast (which is only measurable by someone who knows more?)?

6. solving puzzle and brainteasers easily?

7. being able to speak multiple languages?

8. being self-taught in what people may claim to be complex subjects?

9. being able to derive truths that other people fail to see?

10. being less prone to cognitive biases?

11. Mental clarity and easier data acquisition and processing?

Or something else?

Re: 210 IQ Is Not Enough

#149
210 on a standard IQ scale (15 points per std dev) would mean more than 7 std deviations, order of 10^-12

it's hard for me to not reject the article already for it's click bait headline...

ps: 170 is 4.666 std dev, about 10^-6. that's very rare, hard to measure but at least real.

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